• Samsy@lemmy.ml
    115·
    22 days ago

    “we don’t know… they just are.” Could be a slogan for the whole meat industry.

  • ur_ONLEY_freind@lemmy.zip
    38·
    22 days ago

    We had this in texas but it’s illegal now.

    I think it’s illegal in six other states too.

    Reasons stated: Protect the economics of the cattle industry and to protect public health

    No more beyond steak tips in my pasta, For the good of public health and to support the sale of real cow meat that I already never buy…

  • Grass@sh.itjust.works
    17·
    22 days ago

    this is just dumb and I’m not even vegetarian or vegan. It reminds me of the kind of stuff this shitstain I went to school with would say, repeatedly and loudly to make sure as many people as possible heard him.

  • Simulation6@sopuli.xyz
    16·
    22 days ago

    So, if the steer dies of old age, surrounded by loved ones, would the beef be vegan? Sounds like the only ‘logic’ that could work for the ad.

    • 9blb@feddit.org
      18·
      22 days ago

      The ad is fake and supposed to be a joke.

      As for your question: I’d put it on the same level as eating roadkill or your dog that passed away. You could technically consider it “vegan”, as there is no exploitation or (additional) suffering involved, but it is at least weird as fuck and kind of moot, because the people eating meat wouldn’t eat it in the first place.

      If you go by the literal definition, it’s not vegan because eating animals is not vegan, obviously.

      • Teppichbrand@feddit.org
        9·
        22 days ago

        Lab meat is a distraction to keep consumers from changing their ways. Like hydrogen for Big Oil, they keep telling us that this technology will have a great impact … in the future! Until then, we don’t need to worry and just continue giving dirty money for a destructive product to an evil industry. All while alternatives in form of plant based meat / solar are getting better and cheaper by the minute.
        Seriously, did you try plant meats in the past months? There is no need to wait for lab grown meat anymore. Just buy plant based alternatives and get used to a food that tastes mostly like the animal tissue you’re accustomed to.

        • Lyrl@lemmy.dbzer0.com
          7·
          22 days ago

          The cost is a big turn off for most people. At grocery stores near me, the Impossible and Beyond products are more than double the price of the meat products they are imitating. In part because livestock feed is hugely subsidized by the government.

          If the plant-based meat alternatives could gain efficiency through scale and experience to lower the cost below animal meat, we would see way more people trying them and finding what dishes they work best in, which would feed back into scaled market demand. But I don’t see that kind of explosive growth potential at current price levels.

        • Allero@lemmy.today
          5·
          22 days ago

          Sure, this was not a political statement or anything. Only a mention that lab-grown meat can technically be seen as vegan.

          Personally, I still have meat in my diet, but I do experiment with plant-based options like soy meat and seitan, and also play around with tofu and oat milk.

    • Lumisal@lemmy.world
      5·
      22 days ago

      It could also be that the owner is named Crompton Veggie, and these are his Veggie burgers

    • Gladaed@feddit.org
      16·
      22 days ago

      Vegan burgers and substitutions are for reducing meat consumption, not enabling vegans. It is much more useful to enable the broad majority to be less harmful, rather than helping a small minority.

    • D_C@sh.itjust.works
      9·
      22 days ago

      As a vegetarian I do want it to taste like meat. That’s how you get more people to try veggie meals.

      Source: me with my family.
      My immediate family now eats less meat due to liking the stuff I have, and more veggie stuff in general.

      Some even prefer the ‘meat’ burgers -Beyond, Aldi plant based etc- over their old beef burgers.
      They wouldn’t have even thought of trying them and be converted if they weren’t any “creepy and gross” alternatives.

    • 9point6@lemmy.world
      5·
      22 days ago

      As someone who currently eats meat but trying to reduce consumption for environmental reasons, I 100% want a vegan burger that tastes like the real deal

      • Dasus@lemmy.world
        2·
        22 days ago

        Do you try veggie burgers every now and then to see where it’s at, at least?

        Because some of them really are good. Or decent at least. Some are less than delicious, but eh.

        Definitely they’re improving all the time.

        • 9point6@lemmy.world
          1·
          21 days ago

          I do actually, the beyond burger era has been pretty good for upping the game but they’re not quite there yet IMO

          I’m completely with you that they’re improving though, I think the smash burger style is gonna get there soon

          • Dasus@lemmy.world
            1·
            22 days ago

            Yeah, definitely improved a ton in the previous decade or so. They’re not quite “there” if you want a burger for like a nice, thick, greasy medium patty in the middle. Like if you want to focus on the meat at all, then yeah, they’re not there.

            But… if you just want like a fastfood type of burger with more toppings than patty, like a Whopper or something, then I’d say they pretty much are there.

            I don’t remember if it’s exactly the beyond meat that burger king uses, but they have a nice vegan patty. One time they had Whoppers on offer, 3€ a piece, vegan and beef. Max 5 per person. I ordered 3 vegan and 2 beef I think. We ate them with my brother, and couldn’t tell which was which. Turns out we probably had only them vegan burgers, but eh, didn’t seem to matter that much.

            So for replacing one of those thin, well done mcd/burger king generic patties? I think they’re there. For replacing a patty made out of fresh meat and done to a proper medium? Yeah, they’re not there.

    • BeeegScaaawyCripple@lemmy.worldEnglish
      5·
      22 days ago

      The best vegan/vegetarian food I’ve had was the stuff that got away from finding substitutes for meat and just did its own thing.

    • 4grams@awful.systemsEnglish
      11·
      22 days ago

      I was really expecting them to lean into my stupid old joke. I’m a vegetarian once removed, I only eat animals that only eat plants.

      Can’t even clear that low bar of creativity.

    • Krudler@lemmy.worldEnglish
      6·
      22 days ago

      This is known as a joke.

      One of the most sinister problems is with fee-fee vegans and vegetarians, who in service of their ignorance, kill way more things to sustain their politically-motivated and fee-fee-based lifestyle.

      I’m as close to vegetarian as my body will allow. I’m just calling the movement for what it is. Eat something that had a face? OMG! Flatten millions of acres, kill billions of insects, displace and kill millions of animals, farm the land with diesel equipment, ship the product in trucks 2000 miles. So vegan potato chips are on the shelves, and no worries we can wear our crocheted shoulder bags with self-assured pride!!

      • AnimalsDream@slrpnk.netEnglish
        13·
        22 days ago

        See the problem is the same as people who think it’s still funny to joke about abusing women. Even ignoring the offensiveness, we’ve heard it already. A million times. It’s old, really old, really uncreative. Boring.

        Just like the shitty, thoroughly debunked crop deaths regurgitation. If you’re going to try debating vegans, at least take a few minutes to do some basic research, cause you have no idea how repetitive this is for us.

        • Slovene@feddit.nl
          3·
          21 days ago

          Well, jokes about rape can still be creative and funny. As long as they don’t feel forced.

          Edit: nobody understood my joke. 😭

        • commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com
          2·
          22 days ago

          this doesn’t debunk every crop deaths argument. it only addresses an argument in the form “since animals die in crop harvesting, vegans shouldn’t eat crops (or they would be hypocrites”.

          but the issue of crop deaths actually points to something else: people don’t care if animals die in the production of their food. vegans claim to care but will eat food covered in pesticides and harvested with threshers. the mental gymnastics they go through, like writing a four part essay about how these animal deaths are actually ok, shows that they, too, are ok with animals during in the production of their food.

          • Hazor@lemmy.world
            6·
            21 days ago

            We can’t eliminate all suffering and harm, so we shouldn’t even try reducing it? Perfect is the enemy of good. For many if not most vegans, it’s about minimizing harm. Many are motivated by ecological concern as well.

            Some insects die on my car’s grill when I’m driving. I still go to work every day while calling myself vegan. Literally the only non-hypocritical action would be to kill myself. Forgive me if I don’t.

          • AnimalsDream@slrpnk.netEnglish
            4·
            21 days ago

            Show me where any vegan has ever argued that these deaths are okay? Your argument is both a strawman and bad faith. It’s the equivalent of when people claim anticapitalists are hypocrites because they have no choice but to participate in the existing system to survive. Cheap.

            Why are vegans in particular given blame for crop deaths, when it isn’t vegans who are doing the farming? We have veganic forms of agriculture that we advocate for, and practice in the case of veganic farmers and gardeners. But until that gains more traction all anyone can do is the best they can, with what they have access to - which is far less harmful and destructive than omnis.

            • commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com
              1·
              21 days ago

              Why are vegans in particular given blame for crop deaths, when it isn’t vegans who are doing the farming?

              and most people don’t slaughter animals. which, by the way, is one of my firmly held beliefs: we can’t blame people for something they didn’t do.

      • Hazor@lemmy.world
        4·
        22 days ago

        I don’t quite follow your argument. Are you suggesting it requires more cropland to make vegan food than meat? If everyone ate crop-derived foods in place of livestock-derived foods, we’d need less cropland, because livestock animals are not perfect energy converters. I.e., it takes more than a pound of feed to get a pound of beef.

        Or are you saying it’s hypocritical of a vegan/vegetarian to eat products of agriculture because of the damage to the natural environment and animals which reside in it? The only non-hypocritical thing for me to do in that case would be to kill myself. Forgive me if I don’t. Perfect is the enemy of good, and so I’ll choose to minimize harm where I can.