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Frankly this whole thread is kind of fucked dude
Yea. There is “having personal tastes” but a lot of these comments are just straight up judgmental of other people’s choices of personal expression and using this post as an excuse to espouse some pretty harmful rhetoric.
Honestly this is a much more elegant way of explaining it all than have managed lol
I inherently detest the concept of a “beauty standard”. Something so subjective to each individual experience as “beauty” shouldn’t have a standard, and a mentality or social culture that tries to establish or reinforce them is something I believe to be highly problematic.
Like in this very post, all the people who are admonishing body modification (injections, implants, piercings, tattoos, etc…). That has been a thing humans have done since ancient times. It is just a form of personal expression, there is nothing inherently wrong with the practice itself. It is the social expectations that makes those things appear uncomfortable at first glance instead of just a different but equally valid form of personal expression. A lot of the comments around them are very judgmental of the assumed reasons behind doing it, though, and it is because of societal “beauty standards” that people behave and think this way.
I don’t like big boobs almost ever.
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Most of them, but by far makeup.
If someone enjoys it and wants to, I don’t judge.
But I seriously never saw a person who looks better with makeup. Even light makeup ( which can look good) still looks worse than just natural.
Also there is this vicious cycle where heavy makeup users have worse skin and more pimples so they feel pressure to but heavier makeup, which in turn worsens the skin condition.
People, be happy, love yourself, you are pretty for who you are.
Mowed lawns. Just let it grow, it’s easier and healthier.
This is literal and an innuendo.
I like how the standard has fractured and there isn’t really a standard now, but I do also kind of like the obviously fake bodies being the standard because an insistence on natural beauty is more oppressive than the idea of beauty as something you do, an art or achievement, even a purchase.
If beauty like that is something you choose, I am free to choose it or not. If it’s just by luck of birth, that sucks so bad. When I was a gawky tall stick insect of a teenager and the only girls considered pretty were the short and stacked, there was no way to meet that standard.
Later the tide shifted but as I didn’t grow up feeling my body could ever be mainstream sexy, I didn’t get attached to that - I do have hangups but they are my own. I just try to stay in shape, have good hair, take care of my skin and let the rest be.
But I think my unpopular opinion is beauty as something you do - makeup, style, fitness, is more democratic than insistence on symmetry of features or a particular height or build, the idea of “natural beauty” is worse. Beauty should be a choice, a hobby, a project, do or not.
In terms of what I do not currently understand, it’s the moustaches. Young men with weedy little moustaches, straight men with moustaches that scream gay to me, the unopposed highway patrol/1980s gay man moustache I can’t wait for that trend to pass.
Calling anything about beauty a standard.
Obviously fake anything. Boobs. Lips. Butt.
Trying too hard in general. Just be you.
I get we’re not perfect and we all have insecurities. Why are they called love handles? But people are just people. We’re all human.
I’ve always disliked plastic surgery, botox and heavy makeup. But that’s normal enough
My real hot take is I am disgusted by long, fake nails. They make my skin crawl. They’re so cumbersome, I truly don’t understand how people love with them
This response makes me take back what I said about your intent in my other comments. This thread is gross.
I truly don’t understand how people love with them
Very carefully.
welcome to the evening news, man creates thread so he can bitch about Black women. more at 5 when he phones back in to say how he’s entitled to his opinion.
Truly ironic people are trying to say you’re the racist for calling someone else out for espousing racist rhetoric.
wow holy racist batman
The racist is the one bitching about long nails, a predominant standard of beauty in black culture, and how much it makes them uncomfortable.
Like, no one needs to hear your judgement of someone else’s choice of personal expression. Ever heard the phrase “ain’t got nothing nice to say, don’t say anything at all”? This is where that applies.
Long nails are a thing with women of all races. I wouldn’t call it predominantly black. I’d call it predominantly tacky.
Go outside and get a life. How can you be so miserable.
Yes to all of these.
You and me on both counts dude, fuuuuuu—
So disgusting. And it looks sooo fake, like they don’t even make an effort to look real. They are thick as a bear claw bruh, looks like some fungus growing under them talons, Jesus. Get that nasty shit out of here.
Absolutely yes to the nails. Those are disguising and very impractical
Same on both of those!
Overly full lips. There’s a bandwidth there where it should fit the rest of the facial features. Filling them up with collagen just almost never looks good.
Personally, I’d extend it to the entirety of the bimbo look. Why the fuck would anyone want to look like a cheap sex doll!? (ok well I can kinda’ understand it as a fetish thing, but when ever parts of that look extend to “beauty” like huge lips… ugggh)
Rarely even a little bit looks good. You can just tell immediately.
I don’t get why people try to hide freckles. They’re so unique!
Tabs over spaces, always
… wait, you’re asking in asklemmy, not programming…
Uhhh… that thing where people glue little strands of hair to their forehead in an arc
Tabs were literally designed for indenting, as far as I can tell.
Not really, surprisingly. The “tab” terminology is a hangover from the typewriter days, when pressing the tab key would move your carriage to the left (i.e. sending the typing position towards the right) to the point where the tab stop was, which may or may not have been user configurable depending on the age or fanciness level of your typewriter. On mechanical models this involved sliding a little arrowhead shaped mechanical dingus up at the top over the carriage, a skeuomorph that’s still present in basically every computer word processing application even today.
This was to allow operators to easily write tabular data, i.e. tables or columns, which would be inset from the left margin by a consistent amount, and typically much further inboard than the indent at the beginning of a paragraph would be. The latter was usually accomplished with a small number of spaces instead. And this is why the key is called “tab” and not “ind” or something.
This got carried over to word processors and then to computers kind of by default. But interestingly (if you’re the right kind of nerd to be interested by that sort of thing, anyway) early 8 bit microcomputers that were not envisaged with word processing or a typewriter-esque paradigm in mind conspicuously lacked a tab key. The Commodore 64 and Vic 20, TI-99, Acorn Electron, and certainly the ZX Spectrum all leap to mind.
But the original IBM PC definitely had a tab key, which was almost certainly carried directly over from IBM’s Selectric typewriters. So we’ve had it ever since. The notion of there being a “tab character” of some greater-than-space width lent it to being used for first line indents for a while, but the prominence of HTML and its dogged insistence on collapsing whitespace – especially at the beginning of lines – eventually put a stop to that and caused practically everybody to switch to double line breaks to separate paragraphs instead. Except for writing code, which can involve a whole bunch of indentation to many, many levels of depth.
Indenting the starts of paragraphs was an even older hangover from printing presses, and that’s another whole damn rabbit hole anyway.
Uhhh… that thing where people glue little strands of hair to their forehead in an arc
Do you mean styling baby hairs?
Yes! Thats it!
Thanks i hate it
I also hate those.
She got six eyebrows and a widows peak!
I read an article / listened to a podcast where a visually impaired person said that tabs are much better because they can configure how wide they are rendered to better accommodate them and now In would prefer to use tabs. Still all customers i have seem to use only spaces.
I am more into spaces, but as long as the indentation is done consistently i can tolerate tabs.
I mean, how could using tabs not be consistent when only comparing to spaces? Seems to me like spaces give infinitely more opportunity to fuck up indentation.
Not everyone is beautiful. Most people are average and many are not attractive.
Obesity is not beautiful. It is unhealthy and honestly delusional.
Edit: Most people are thinking of this when mentioning obesity.
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=real+obese+people+&t=h_&iar=images
Not this.
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=heavy+rugby+players&t=fpas&iar=images
Complaining about the BMI scale is a disservice to those who truly need to lose weight for their health.
Same with being underweight. It is also not healthy or beautiful.
Obesity is not beautiful. It is unhealthy
I’d even go so far as to say obesity is unattractive, because it’s unhealthy.
Healthy is of course beautiful.
healthy is of course beautiful
Pretty undefined moving target unless you carry around your medical records and a rubric for what everything should be.
There’s an implied “[what looks] healthy is beautiful”…
We… obviously can’t peer into people’s cells while we’re walking around town and people browsing… I didn’t think I had to clarify this. 😄
How is that better? How do you determine what “looks“ healthy? That seems to me like a recipe for falling right back into the trappings of socially/culturally enforced body types.
It’s not that you have to clarify it, it’s that I don’t think you fully realize what you are saying. People say “I like people who are healthy,“ not even realizing that we all have different concepts of what that even means, generally informed by marketing which is part of the reason we have so many issues with people and body image today. It’s all clearly connected.
“Look healthy,” “are healthy,” it’s all the same problem. You’re acting like this is some clearly defined metric when a lot of the reason for even having this debate is because it isn’t.
People speculate that this is one of the reasons why those most opposed to weight loss medications like Ozempic are, in fact, fit people. In a world where most people around you are obese or unhealthy, being fit becomes a way to signal discipline, long-term planning, a healthy lifestyle, competence, and so on. But now that you can get lean without putting in the effort, it dilutes that signal.
being fit becomes a way to signal discipline, long-term planning, a healthy lifestyle, competence, and so on.
Yeah but I think it’ll just be a more explicit marker of wealth instead, sort of how so much of fashion boils down to “how much are you willing to spend?”
Really? I’ve never heard that sentiment from any of my other fit friends and I certainly don’t feel that way. I would love it if everyone was just hot.
I’ve never heard that about Ozempic or had those thoughts about weight loss medications.
The only thing I’ve ever thought about weight loss medication is “that’s probably snake oil” or “that doesn’t sound healthy for the body”.
Considering how much of human effort is just signaling in different forms, this makes a lot of sense. Losing a visual marker of your hard work messes with your established signaling. This makes me wonder what the new signal will be? Fitness clothing has already been taken… Maybe people will wear their gym memberships on a lanyard all the time or something?
Well, Ozempic will make you lean, but it won’t make you fit or muscular - so there’s still that. In that sense, it might be more accurate to say that the people opposing it are likely those who’ve gotten lean through dieting and occasional exercise, rather than bodybuilders.
That’s a good point, I was lumping too many people together there. Yes, now how will people show they “suffered” with dieting?
The whole fat acceptance movement is honestly gross AF.
I don’t care how happy you are about it. This shit is not healthy and we shouldn’t be promoting it.
Says fat people promote unhealthy lifestyles. Gif: An obese chick getting exercise while playing an instrument that takes considerable muscle control and a high lung capacity.
Damn. Lot of people really hate fat folks. I’m just saying you want to prove fat people are unhealthy— a woman in a career that takes a high level of stamina and discipline isn’t a great example.
Yeah that’s a terrible example of an unhealthy fat person, she is an outlier for sure, was so overweight and could run and sing at the same time! I’m sure it’s harder on your joints and all but if someone can out-dance you, while singing loud, she is in better cardiovascular shape than you.
who is considered “obese” is often determined by the BMI which is a flawed scale to determine health and wellness, you can read about it here: https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/why-you-shouldnt-rely-on-bmi-alone
Absolutely there is such thing as unhealthily fat and weight being a detriment to your health, but there are 100% people who are, by modern beauty standards, “fat” and still very active and healthy by all measured metrics. Body types are different and some people will be more stocky than others, and I think that’s what the “fat acceptance” movement is really about
Average is plenty beautiful, though. At least in countries where ‘average’ doesn’t mean ‘severely over- or underweight’.
My brother is obese and also one of the fittest people I know. He can walk miles without breaking a sweat, no high blood pressure, no high cholesterol, heart is doing fine, no arthritis, etc. ad nauseum. He’s fat because he eats a lot, but everything he eats is home cooked with plenty of veg and little meat. He just loves cooking.
My doc said the other day she prefers it when her patients are heavier, because when people get very sick, it’s the “healthy” thin ones who die first in the ICU purely because they don’t have any fat to spare.
As to your second point, I have a personal hypothesis that cancer is the reason for the middle-aged gut. Hell, guess it could be disease in general. Anyway, with a few extra pounds you have more time to fight.
Hard agree. I am so willing to die on this hill.
Yes, but actually no. I’ll not discuss taste because that’s very personal, but while as a general rule obesity is unhealthy and most obese people should change their habits, the way we define obesity is with BMI, which is extremely inaccurate for very short or very tall people, not to mention bone and muscle density is different for different people, I have always (since at least 13 YO) have been in the obese category, even when I was training daily and could run a few kilometers at around 5 min per km I was obese, even though I looked only slightly overweight, the reason is because I have dense bones and at the time had lots of muscles (which are lots denser than fat). So while there’s a strong correlation between being obese and being unhealthy one should be very careful not to mix the two and assume a 100% correlation or causation effect.
I hate BMI. I am working on losing weight, but I am gaining muscle at the same rate I’m losing fat, so my weight has hardly changed. None of my clothes fit anymore and I am much slimmer, but still considered obese. I’m not even weighing myself regularly at this point. I’m just going by how I look and feel and my clothes size.
Yup, don’t bother too much with BMI, like I said, I’ve been obese all my life, even when I was in better shape than almost anyone I knew and was training and beating people that looked a lot better than me.
If you want to show just how absurd it is, look at the world strongest man, his BMI is 40.7 which puts him as an obese type 3, even now that I’m in the worst shape of my life I’m not in that category.
Holy shit that’s wild. Is BMI good for anything, then? Or does it need abandoned?
BMI misses more often in the other direction (skinny-fat), being fit and obese is much less common.
It’s my understanding that the only proven health metric with regard to size is waist to height. Your waist measurement less than half your height? Then you don’t have too much abdominal fat, and it’s the abdominal fat that is a bigger risk to your health.
It’s a general guideline that’s accurate for average people that live average lives, but if you’re too tall, too short, too muscled, have lower or higher bone density, etc it can be very inaccurate. No doctor takes any action on this alone, but it can be a guideline to ask you for blood works or other studies to ensure things are okay. There are better ways to measure body fat percentage, but that requires special instruments and also are usually dependent on where your body stores fat, so you might not have ever done them before.
Filler and injections.
When they’re done badly, it’s very noticeable and terrible. When they aren’t done, it’s fine. Not everybody is looking for curves and puffy lips. Presumably, there’s a bunch of successful injections you never notice, but on the balance that’s not a very good record.
This is kind of a gross thread. It’s just “hey fellas, tell me all the ways you can find women unattractive. Make sure to really communicate how upsetting it is you, because remember, that’s what this is really all about.”
What I noticed in the top comments is also that many of the beauty standards mentioned are racialized, either appropriated or just plain racial. (E.g. thick lips, the hair curlies, the thin/drawn on eyebrows).
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Totally. This thread is filled with casual misogyny and racism.
There are mentions of beards, full public bush, overly white teeth, and tats. This thread isn’t just about women.
Man you have a pretty selective filter not even mentioning the several times makeup and collagen/lip filler came up, both of which dominated the thread. How dishonest.
“Big asses,” too skinny, not skinny enough, too much makeup, curls/hair extensions (racially coded AF), Botox, lip filler, I mean it’s relentless dude.
One guy said “fake anything. Boobs, lips, butt.” The vast majority of the comments are some variation of this. That ain’t about men my dude.
I want you to honestly look at this thread and tell me what percentage of the comments you think are by straight white dudes. You’re going to scoff at that challenge but you know I’m right. This thread is gross as fuck.
Yeah but I’m a lady and can comment lol it’s doesn’t specify the gender
I mean…it sure baits a one-sided, gendered response lol
The thread is also almost exclusively talking about how women dress/style themselves.
No it doesn’t, that’s your paranoia and your own preconceptions speaking.
Paranoia
What…?
Agreed BUT TBF he did not make a reference to women. It could apply to man too. Which is also stupid because it doesn’t matter who you are you have the right to be what and how you want!
“Beauty standards” pretty heavily slants the answers dude lol
Ugh, I HATE when women present themselves in ways they like. They should be focused on appealing to ME, a man they aren’t attracted to in the slightest.
Women? Not only op didn’t set any sex or gender constraints, but for what it’s worth, disagreeing with a beauty standard doesn’t mean you necessarily find it unattractive. It just means you don’t think it’s the right standard.
For me, I disagree about perfectly white teeth. I prefer the ivory shades, not yellow, just ivory. I steer clear of any tooth whitening products.
Just read the responses. They’re proof enough. OP did not likely intend this but it was always the inevitable outcome unfortunately. Look at the sheer number of people poking specifically at collagen in the lips. Most of what is stated is clearly things women generally do.
This is basically a table of predominantly dudes griping about what they find unattractive in women, rather than critically assessing the beauty standards society/culture is unfairly putting on all of us. The latter is what I imagine OP intended, but the former is clearly what came of it.
I don’t see it. I don’t find it gross at all, and wouldn’t find the opposite version gross either if I saw it on c/womensstuff or something.
Ok then we disagree. That’s fine.
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Lip injections make me think of those wax lips they used to give out for Halloween
Thanks. I’ve been wondering what Marilyn Manson has been up to lately.
