We already have a model of this with Israel’s genocide in Gaza wracking up a climate footprint bigger than entire countries. Scale that up to a world war and… Yeah, not fun.

Okay that is literally not true. First, Ash’arism is also rationalist so yeah no. Like you do know many prominent Muslim scientists from the time period were themselves Asharite right? Second, the Islamic golden age didn’t die due to the power of religious figures; it died due to the sacking of Baghdad and continued right up until that moment. This happened more than two centuries after the creation of Ash’arism, and again many important developments happened in the Caliphate in the interim. Third, the Timurid renaissance came about a century later in a mainstream Sunni Muslim (so definitely not Mu’tazilite or some such) empire. In short:

It is inevitable that the religious mind either abandons their faith, or abandons science.

That literally didn’t happen.

Ultimately, if god existed and created everything… science would be another form of worship.

Yes, as clearly stated in the Quran, that is literally the point.

Sorry my people’s more than a millennium-long history doesn’t conform to your preconceived notions, but can you please not make shit up? Here’s a Wikipedia article. And in the first place, Arab distrust of science is a much more recent phenomenon that came after centuries of Ottoman neglect and is fading away right as we speak despite some of the most conservative mainstream theologies in the history of Islam.

Not that I disagree, but username checks out.

Given how well that worked with Russia, yeah don’t expect much help.

It was religion that got them there.

That’s… what? Like do you think the Assabids were atheists during the Islamic Golden Age?

This isn’t the community for discussion-type questions. You have asklemmy and politics communities for that.

I used to call her mama but now I mostly just use her name. My family is weird like that.

Pretty sure this doesn’t fit the community, but also: ICE won’t shoot you with live ammo when you try to stop them.

Edit: Gaza is a whole different thing, but the IDF in the West Bank is what ICE wants to be.

Decades of state propaganda. It’s a lot easier for a modern Westerner to feel like the system works and just needs a nudge than it is for a worker in the interwar period or a black person in the 60s.

Only this strategy has literally never worked. Your rights were secured by people who caused all kinds of disturbances. And in the first place anyone who still hasn’t taken a side is a fascist in denial or will never take a side.

Eh, why not let them dump their money into European economies?

Username checks out. Also try Your Name.

Man, couldn’t they have missed a little to the west?

That’s probably less legible than you intended it to be.

Here’s another one any action in the middl east always prompts a response from multiple other sources regardless of the territory or regime targeted.

Okay? That’s called solidarity and it’s a good thing last I checked.

Iran itself has spent decades building networks of foreign fighters who would be classed as terrorists.

Based on what criteria?

It’s own soldiers have been caught sponsoring and training these people with the intent to attack and destabilise countries in the west.

Example?

I do not agree with the aggression from Israel or the US but do not ever paint Iran as a saint of a country.

They’re not, but that has nothing to do with your initial claim.

The other person already pointed this out, but resistance against foreign occupation isn’t terrorism no matter how much Western governments want it to be.

The idea is that (so far) it’s America acting alone rather than bringing the whole gang with it like in Iraq.

If you’re not American my claims don’t apply to you (unless you were a non-American peddling anti-Harris online propaganda during the elections, and then you’re as much to blame as the rest of the idiots that did this).

Yes, I was peddling completely non-factual anti-Harris online propaganda about Democrats doing bad things, and you still haven’t engaged with my point.

I’m an immigrant in a country where save for a small foreign diaspora Muslims basically don’t exist, so while I’m choosing to leave this stuff for future me to figure out, if I ever do choose to find someone it’ll be rough going.

Resorting to guesses and assumptions so you don’t have to interact with my argument, I see. Well sorry to rain on your parade but, since I’m a non-American who lives on the other side of the world, I had exactly zero role in electing your turd. Now will you stop Trumpwashing your team’s atrocities or are you still digging your head in the sand?

Muslim here and nope. Setting aside that it’s forbidden in Islam, I’d have to get them on board with so many things they might as well convert.