reason: Admitting to being a troll: “I’m an agent of chaos.”
Absolutely the limpest reason to temp ban someone from a shitposting community. From the context it was obviously an offhanded joke, not an actual admission of someone trying to disrupt the community.
What they said was “I’m a shitlord”, and they did attack people in the comments who disagreed with them in an exceptionally trollish way.
- Then the mods should be honest about why he’s being banned in the modlog.
- Him (charitably) being an overzealous meanie in defense of an honest brand of feminism does not make him a shitlord.
- Sometimes people need to be dunked on for both their own good and the good of the community, obviously myself included. A perfectly appropriate venue for some gentle dunking is a shitposting community.
It’s a shame that the thread got locked. It was getting heated, but IMO that’s a good sign that what you’re talking about actually needs to be debated.
Him being an overzealous meanie in defense of
an honest brand of feminismassuming anyone who says men should be treated better is expecting complete deference from women does not make him a shitlord.Perhaps not, but saying the words “I am a shitlord” does.
The mods were actually very clear about it in the thread. Pinned comment.
imho not a good enough reason. But hey I’m not a mod.
That’s pretty funny actually.
And this is why Lemmy sucks.
Mods have a stick up their asses even further than Reddit mods do.
The apply rules in a petty zero-tolerance way.
It’s just public, unlike reddit. There have been countless controversies over poor moderation on reddit. On lemmy everyone can see when someone is banned for bullshit reasons and call it out. Don’t mistake awareness for frequency
Excellent point. On reddit you’re just shadowbanned with no explanation.
Okay but you can always make your own shitposting community on your own instance with your own rules if you feel so strongly against the rules. That option simply was not available on R*ddit. The point of Lemmy isn’t that no one abuses their mod and admin powers ever, but that the system is set up so that you can just go to another Lemmy server, which simply was not available on R*ddit if you pissed off the site admins.
Although I personally find Lemmy users nicer and moderation better on average, their character is not the point. It is merely the result of an imperfect but better system than R*ddit.
The inevitable centralization of the fediverse means starting your own instance is not the cure all people pretend it is, even discounting the obvious technical difficulties of hosting one.
Okay but you can always make your own shitposting community on your own instance with your own rules if you feel so strongly against the rules. That option simply was not available on R*ddit.
That happened on reddit all the time, minus the instance part. Remember /r/freefolk?
That happened on reddit all the time, minus the instance part. Remember /r/freefolk?
The “instance part” is absolutely huge. If I wanted to, I could go start a /c/lemmyshitpost on SDF Lemmy [1] with a completely new set of rules [2], particularly a set of rules that possibly would violate Lemmy.world’s TOS or possibly even the law in Lemmy.world’s jurisdiction, but not SDF’s or their jurisdiction’s laws.
It’s not a big deal for the average user until the day you run afoul of the server admins.
[1] As of writing this, SDF does not have a /c/lemmyshitpost.
[2] I’m not interested in doing that lol, this is just a hypothetical. I’m annoyed at this most recent decision but nowhere near ready to leave over it.
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Is like saying oh you don’t like your local librarians? you’re free to make your own library!
I’m probably being pedantic here but you kinda can, e.g. Little Free Libraries, although the reason isn’t “my local librarians suck”, it’s closer to “more libraries please”.
Okay well being free to do something doesn’t magically make it a real option.
Agreed, but I fail to see how, with enough consent from the user base, how moving to another existing server is not an option.
Are there even any exceptions to that that aren’t entire communities agreeing to move together off instances?
I’m not aware of any off the top of my head, but it absolutely does not seem implausible that we could move this community if the need arises. Entire communities moved off of Reddit during the boycott; I don’t see why we can’t do that again within the platform if the need arises. For the most part people are okay with the moderation here, as am I, but the minute that changes people will flee somewhere else.
For literally the entire time I have been on lemmy I have heard laments about the centralization of comms on lemmy.world and seen attempts to mitigate it but every pie chart just shows lemmy.world with more of the pie because growing a comm on small servers isn’t simple!
Hard agree there. I’m not sure how to fix it.
Agreed. I think moderating comments needs to be banished. The community can self-moderate with voting.
Banning users is pointless. Accounts can be created very easily. With decentralized one doesn’t even need to go to the lengths one does with Reddit.
Moderating should be reserved for keeping a sub’s posts relevant to the group’s purpose and nothing else.
I think moderating comments needs to be banished.
Nah because then someone could just post (for example) medical gore in a “safe space” and it’ll just get downvoted but not removed.
It wasn’t gore, but do you remember the ThuleanPerspective (I think?) trolls from a little while back, spamming that racist photoshopped Simpsons comic by commenting it on literally everything? That effort was neutralized in the short term by deleting those comments on the spot, and then the users who posted them.
It is absolutely a useful tool, but like most useful tools it can be abused.
Mods being toxic? Some things never change.
Show me a good mod and I’ll show you an honest politician.
Have you ever modded any community? I’m not perfect, I’m a human being with a life and other responsibilities.
We’re just trying to keep this place civil enough so everyone can enjoy it. Sometimes that means taking action against people detracting from that.
From the context it was obviously an offhanded joke,
Ah so that’s the thread in question. Was wondering what post it was and honestly, I suspected that one of being rage bait.
The original image seemed like it was missing context so I figured OP was gonna come swinging in later against any comments saying it was extreme with the additional context.
And yes, out of context I thought it was a bit extreme. I don’t necessarily agree with what the first person in the image said although that’s a complex topic that deserves a much lengthier discussion, but just randomly having someone tell them that they’re a creep who deserves to be tased is fairly extreme without any additional context. Keep in mind, I have no idea who the individual is or what they’ve done.
The fuckin essays that generated. Jesus christ. We’re failures as shitposters when a shitpost generates that much drama.
We’re failures as shitposters when a shitpost generates that much drama
Hard disagree lol, I love when a shitpost actually gets people to debate about important things. So many people would just never think about that stuff otherwise.
Yeah. That’s literally one of the main cores of shitpost culture, obviously trolling is just as foundational, but derailing or sparking discussion is another main ingredient of what makes a shitpost a shitpost.
Wikipedia:
In Internet culture, shitposting or trashposting is the act of using an online forum or social media page to post content that is of “aggressively, ironically, and trollishly poor quality”.Shitposts are generally intentionally designed to derail discussions or cause the biggest reaction with the least effort.
KnowYourMeme:
“Shitposting” is an Internet slang term describing a range of user misbehaviors and rhetoric on forums and message boards that are intended to derail a conversation off-topic, including thread jacking, circlejerking and non-commercial spamming.
Meriam-Webster:
: to post something online (such as a comment, video, or meme) that is deliberately absurd, provocative, or offensive
Urban Dictionary:
A post of little to no sincere insightful substance. Especially a “shit”(low)-effort/quality-post with the sole purpose to confuse, provoke, entertain or otherwise evoke an unproductive reaction. Often exemplified in surreal out-of-context posts.
Digital Cultures:
Shitposting is an internet slang expression, with several varying meanings, depending on the context.
It usually refers to the non-conforming behavior of users, or to the creation of off-topic posts and memes, that are way out of context and serve to push the conversation of its original path.
“Shitposts” are almost always low quality, with little to no concrete value and are mostly made for trolling others.
Mods be going hard lately. It’s not really good. You have mods in .ml that will ban you for not liking your opinion. You have mods that will ban you if you call out an obvious troll/bot and tell you to let them know and they’ll take care of it, BUT they ban you for reporting a troll/bot.
They need to make it where we can see what mod is removing comments and banning people. Right now you can see what actions were taken but you have no idea who did it. It’s pretty clear there are some bad actors out there and they’re really making this platform less appealing by the day. When you let trolls run wild and ban the humans because they’re calling out bullshit… you have a problem.
I got permabanned from Unpopular Opinions, which I think deserves an award of some kind
here u go
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Yaaaaay!!
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Lol, nice.
It’s the reason I left Reddit. The career mods who decide they’re important.
It’s inevitable. Power corrupts.
Same, but honestly it seems worse here.
'Cept here you can just start your own lemmy instance if you want with your own rules.
I’d be happy with the mods actually following the rules of the communities.
Oh good fractured and king of your own personal hole in the ground.
Exactly the way a social species likes it.
Well that’s what lemmy.world is… some guy decided to start it. No company. Just a dude but you seem to like it enough.
That’s really not on point about if you have an issue just breaking off and making anothered fractured community.
How many times do you do that before it’s just 1 person. Exactly as humans and the internet intended when it joined people together over distances not needed to be traveled?
Everyone gets what they want as long as it’s being alone so you can never wrong?
No I don’t love it here but I compromise because that’s the point. This is where people are.
But sure you got me. I live in a society so how could I be such a hypocrite.The things about communities is that there made of people. You need to nurture them and work to sustain them. Otherwise they die out on their own.
Its no longer a community, now its an entire instance. And boy does it show sometimes.
Depends on the instance
welcome to reddit 2.0
Certain major instances are way worse than reddit ever was.
Hopefully they do something quick before this turns into an absolute shit show. It’s getting close.
The platform isn’t the problem in this context.
This is a people problem.
Since the people here, mostly came from there, we’re going to see these issues.
I’m not sure if we can reasonably expect any different
They need to figure something out, I like the platform, it’s just you post something within the rules and some butthurt mod doesn’t like it, he bans you. It’s bullshit. The bots and trolls are here, and they’re allowed to run rampant in certain communities. Report them, you get banned. Call them out for being an obvious troll/bot, BAN. It’s worse than reddit when it comes to that.
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Like this post
I was wondering where that post went, shame on the mods.
How am I supposed to furiously mastrubate to dramatic comments now? This is basically kink shaming.
/s means sarcasm right? Should this be sarcasm? Or was the sarcasm the friends we made along the way?
/s means sex
I’m happy and having lots of sex /s
Can’t wait to wet my willy. /s
I have no idea about any of the context but this comment was a delight to read
I’m here to help.
Weird looking hydration bladder but I’d drink from it.
I suspect I’ll regret asking, but what is this?
Literal douche bag.
Dude! Wtf?! They just asked a question. Jesus Christ, why so mean?
Some people can’t help it they have to jump at you for asking a question
I’m not sure if you two are serious or not, and that just makes this even better.
Surely we can’t be serious?
I am serious, and don’t call me Shirley.
It’s honestly hard to tell sometimes
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The enema/douche bag at your service.
Hey kings, queens, and inbetweens, don’t you ever, and I mean EVER, shitpost in my Christian shitposting community
I agree with the mods here, that person sounds like a toxic sexist pos
I think the main reason they should be banned is because their posts are mid
I was going to say, we need a new community /c/midposting but we don’t, really.
Free Track Shovel! We all do a lil trolling
In Internet culture, shitposting or trashposting is the act of using an online forum or social media page to post content that is of “aggressively, ironically, and trollishly poor quality”.
Imagine not being allowed to do any trolling in a shitposting community.
Tap for subtlety
There are obviously types of trolling that intentionally disrupt the entire community, but this was nowhere near that.
A shit leopard can’t change its spots
Lemmy clients need to make it easier to find the mod logs for communities and specific mods.
What’s going on exactly, a user is a agent of chaos but (shrugs)
I’m an agent of shit. I’m the shitnami that’ll wash away your little shithuts from the shitbeach.
I’ll have you know I graduated top of my shit class in the Shitting Acadamey, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Public Toliets, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in sewage warfare and I’m the top shitter in the entire US Sewage System. You are nothing to me but just another target.
I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can shit in over seven ways, and that’s just with my bare butt with my hands and feet planted.
Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed shitting, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Sewage Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable shit stain off the face of the side of the toilet.
If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn dolt. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it.
You’re a dead man walking, and I’m the one holding the trigger. You can’t hide, you can’t run, and you can’t escape. I’ll find you, and I’ll make you wish you were never born. You’re a pathetic little worm, and I’m part of the Sewage Aligators, and I’ll crush you like the insignificant insect you are.
You’re Fucking Dead, Kiddo
Hard /s
Will you wash away the shit apples from the shit tree?
They don’t fall far.
Yeah idk people kinda get mad when you shitpost in [email protected]
To be fair it was getting pretty toxic… But then again I’m ok with that.
While shit is a renewable resource, only so much shit can exist at any one time.
Shitpost mods need to walk a fine line of laxitives, costives, gas station sushi, big mac meals, and dilators. Sometimes they get it wrong.
It’d be nice to have some kind of recourse of a mod gets out of hand and wrecks a community.
Like a way to either vote out mods (dangerous in case of bot voting), or to fork communities such that community members are made aware of the forking (potential spam/troll vector), or something like that.
Idk if that’s needed here, but just in general.
Not needed. Admins create their own policy on removing mods and purging communities. Everything else you vote with your feet.
Squid isn’t as awful as people play like he is, but he’s a provocative troll himself half the time and if he used the metric he used to ban this guy he’d have to ban himself.
The voting with your feet only works if people know there is another (viable) option, which is what I was getting at with the forking idea.
Idk much about the mod or really the op in the referenced post, I was taking more generally; I’ve seen a few small communities turn into little fiefdoms.
he’s a mall cop still bitter about failing out of the police academy.
I tangled with him once, he’s response when I said he was being pendentic about something, was “don’t you see I’m a mod?”
That tells you everything you need to know about him.
