EU and China should put a CO2 tax on products from thr US if they want burn the planet
I was laugh-crying when the EU made that comment about the fate of the world being on some rando US state.
America needs to be downgraded in terms of reputation. We aren’t protectors of the world, we can barely help ourselves.
We actively harm ourselves for shits and giggles apparently.
I don’t think kamala “frack the planet” harris was gonna make the environment much better
This kind of puritanical shit is pretty much how Trump won
How anyone could be delusional enough to think Trump would be better somehow for the environment is just beyond me
Nobody’s saying that the climate denier is better for the environment. We’re saying that Kamala, who “believes in science” would be a smokescreen, just like Biden was.
If your climate agenda is to give tax credits to install heat pumps and a ton of money to EV manufacturers, and to not actually tackle the biggest polluters in the country, you don’t have a serious climate plan. Also deeply unserious is slapping tariffs on China’s affordable and reliable solar panels and EVs.
The military is a huge polluter and greenhouse gas emitter. So are suburban neighborhoods and aviation. If you can’t tackle those by realigning foreign policy, infrastructure, and urban development, then you’re not going far enough.
This won’t be solved by giving a ton of money to private companies and hoping they find a profit motive. We’d need a vast expansion of state capacity at this point.
The Inflation Reduction Act included $65 million in research grants for low emission aviation and $245 million in development of biofuel based Sustainable Aviation Fuel (aka SAF). And the $3 billion in loan guarantees for manufacturing advanced vehicle technologies included certain aircraft.
There were also $5 billion in loan guarantees for shutting down our heaviest polluting power plants or retooling them to greener generation methods.
There was $3 billion in buying zero emissions vehicles and charging infrastructure for the postal service.
The Inflation Reduction Act, which inherited a lot of the stuff from the Green New Deal, was a lot of things, and I don’t think I’ve ever heard it called deeply unserious before today.
Fixing the environment means pushing back against the profit motive of corporations. You can’t fix the climate and stay friendly with big polluters. What the dems are doing are half-measures that will still see our future ruined because they refuse to go against their corporate donors
The point about aviation is that we need to reduce the need for flights. Short flights, especially those that are under 600 miles over land, are prime to be replaced by high speed rail.
No amount of SAF is going to make the short flights less polluting than a robust high speed rail system between those city pairs.
Also, you called the IRA deeply unserious, not me. I called Biden’s tariffs against Chinese renewables and EVs deeply unserious because they are.
Yeah, the IRA and Infrastructure Bill steer about $67 billion to railways, $80 billion to transit systems. And even though a lot of the other spending goes towards the status quo of car-based passenger transportation, electrifying that will go a long way towards reducing carbon emissions.
And there are some more ambitious ideas baked in, too: redesigning cities to require less car infrastructure and overall energy use, etc.
I thought it was a big deal when passed and honestly can’t understand why people who care about climate don’t acknowledge just how big of a deal it was (and how devastating that so much of the money authorized will now be in control of a Trump administration).
trump would not be better but dems have made it clear that they dont really take the environment seriously. They say its a crisis and we have to take action but then they open up more fracking and give more money to military contractors. This doesnt make me a trump voter but it does make me tune them out when they make appeals about climate because I know the dems will still sell the climate down the river in favor of big corporate lobbies when in power. That kind of double talk makes people give up on parties and stop caring.
So, naturally, you chose whoever is actually worse. Because hey at least he means what he’s saying…
Did you read the part of my comment where I said I’m NOT a trump voter and that he is NOT better
It’s wild that there’s so many stupid people who seem to have forgot what kind of shit Trump pulled during his administration.
Trump is going to dismantle the EPA
Not sure why you are downvoted. This is one of the big lines in project 2025.
Fuck. You.
No, frack you
I do think its worth creating outreach networks that
A) help people with problems created by climate crisis
B) use open source/public media to reach out to people to help inform them and solve problems.
People use reddit, gofundme etc, but I think it might be more useful to use non corporate media and branch out that way.
Even Scroob would be an improvement.
I hate how this picture is accurate. American inaction on climate change fucks everyone over. There’s almost no chance of convincing China and India to reduce emissions if the richest country in the world can’t be bothered to lift a finger.
But hey, maybe this will incentivize Elon to double his efforts on colonizing Mars for the super rich!
It will only incentivize Elon (and all the other filthy rich) to build air conditioned luxury bunkers guarded by AI killerbots in places like New Zealand.
Or maybe something like the titular space station in the movie Elysium, where they enjoy the newest medical treatments while looking down on the rest of humanity trying to survive on a planet that has turned into a helhole.
Yes! New Zealand, we have a bunch of gar-- investors we think you’ll like.
Well, we’re going to be acting on it now. Very pro
This is my biggest concern. Like whatever on economy. Do I want more for everyone? Absolutely. But those can come back in 5-10 years.
The environment doesn’t have that long. We had the hottest summer and about to have the coldest winter and they are all like “let’s go orange man!” And not giving a fuck what they leave for the next generation. So fuckin selfish. I hate them so much.
They don’t care because they will be dead before they ever see the effects of their selfishness. They will literally never have any consequence.
I’m sure they know in their hearts that their descendants will suffer and die because of what they do today, but they don’t plan on ever feeling bad about it because at the end they will be safe, warm and comfortable in their beds, surrounded by their loving families, after a lifetime of luxuries. Everything to gain and nothing to lose. Why not fuck the planet?
I work with young trump supporters starting families. They will be hurt so much by this bullshit.
I hope they can hear me laughing at them until they fucking die. They can all eat shit. Everyone’s future is turbo fucked now because of their selfishness, and they will not be spared. I wish them every misery.
I hope he does and that all the billionaires join on the maiden flight, we’re gonna get rid of the worst scum in one single swoop. I mean, chances are that things will go as well in space/on Mars as his self driving teslas, so please do that ASAP
Actually China is leading the planet on renewables deployment.
I haven’t combed through the data in a minute, but I want to also say that they’re also leading in fossil fuel deployment too. Probably is due to their population size than anything else.
Don’t worry though: America can’t stand that China is doing better than them at something, so we’re going to try to punish them and frame them as the bad guys since America can be the only one espousing leadership, not the Big Bad East.
Are China the good guys now?
No. But neither are the US and I don’t think they ever were. For now, I’d say the EU are the less bad of the biggest (EU, Russia, China, India, and the US) but even we aren’t the good guys.
I haven’t combed through the data in a minute, but I want to also say that they’re also leading in fossil fuel deployment too.
Yup, China is also leading the planet on new coal plant construction. As of 2 months ago, it seemed to be on track to add 80GW of coal generation capacity in 2024 alone, and accounts for more than 90% of new coal construction.
By way of comparison, the US peaked in total coal plant capacity in 2011 at 318GW, and has since closed about 134GW of capacity, with more to come.
In context, what we’re seeing is massive, massive expansion of electricity generation and transmission capacity, both clean and dirty, in China. We can expect China to increase its total carbon emissions each year to be closer to the West, while the United States reduces its own from a much higher starting point. Maybe the two countries will cross in per capita emissions around 2030 if current trends continue, but there’s no guarantee that current trends will continue: will the United States continue to shift from coal to gas? Where does grid scale storage, electrification of passenger vehicles, demand shifting, or dispatchable carbon free power go from here, in a future Trump administration? What’s going to happen with the Chinese economy over the next 5 years? What technology will be invented to change things?
Thanks for sharing!
I said on Facebook this morning: “I’m sorry Americans, I hate this for you” and caught a 30 day ban. Amazing. I am so sorry.
Just give Facebook a permaban. Them banning you is like your boss writing you up for having the best attendance.
It’s hard as all my Livejournal friends are there. I hate it so much though.
Livejournal
That’s a name that I’ve not heard in a long time.
It was absolutely the best. Before the Russian government ate it that is. I made the best friends there.
Don’t you just love freedom of speech?
I feel like they’ve been waiting for a chance to do this. I got similarly banned after Roe vs Wade was overturned when I offered to mail abortion pills to Americans. Vice interviewed me about it.
Holy shit seriously?
I am really wondering if comments will start being unsafe with a lessened expectation of free speech continuing and revenge being the new normal. Im going to start a new account thats not linked to my email address. I’d suggest everyone else do the same.
I have every social account attached to an email nobody has. It’s just a good habit really.
Look on the bright side, late night political humor is going to get more interesting. They are putting RFK Jr in charge of key public health industries, which is going to create an entertaining amount of karma.
I do hope that the US is able to rush some Ukraine aid, but it does look like Europe is also going to have a hard road ahead. This isn’t just Trump winning out, it is a form of undermining democracies winning out, and it will continue to spread much quicker now.
They are putting RFK Jr in charge of key public health industries,
One positive is that he doesn’t seem to be influenced by corporate lobbying.
sees destroyed Statue of Liberty
“They blew it up. Honestly, I get it!”
It’s ok I’m going to become one of those cool underground people now with the melted skin who worship a bomb!
This place is going to be wall to wall moaning for the next week, isn’t it?
Don’t look up.
Wall to wall moaning is nothing compared to the incoming shit storm of the next 4 years.
I’m not even in the same hemisphere as the US, I’ll be watching with a mixture of fascination and horror.
Good luck though!
Oh trust me, the watching with a mixture of fascination and horror is coming from inside the states too.
I wish you good luck as well. I hear the US is known to fuck around with other countries occasionally. (And that’s not supposed to sound threatening - it’s just a recognition that we fuck with other countries even during “good” administrations, never mind when we have a dictator-loving wannabe in the office)
woooo, another four years of nonstop whining from yanks.
Privilege for you to type that. For others, like Ukrainians, the consequences are much worse.
How? Why?
The country with the biggest military of the world, who they have received a lot of support from, just elected a president that supports the dictatorship committing crimes against humanity in their country. Do you not see how that is problematic?
The President doesn’t control the military
Yeah, great fun watching the planet we all share start boiling and ruining the future not just for our own species but for millions of others.
It’s on earth so: yes.
All of social media will be. Even for those of us not in the US. It’s bad enough with the moaning about our own governments.
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Oh no
Anyways…
This is equivalent to sticking your head in the mud so you don’t see the inevitable butt fucking. But you will feel it. Hard.
Please don’t. You have a diverse voice and opinion. don’t let people shoo you away because of it
yep. the lofty goals of clean, cool future are wiped away and replaced with the more basement boons of high, fast burn out.
Just hand it over to the apes.
Oh wait, we did.
Well, we can save the planet! Kamala just has to show courage!
oh stop being the melodramatic american. the world is a huge place and is hardly affected by what happens in your local area. My country didn’t change from 2016, nor did most other countries. It is not a world-wide problem.
I’m not saying you can’t be upset, please, get mad–I’d be mad. But don’t invoke the world’s name, please, we don’t care.
I think this post is about climate change, which is absolutely a global problem
Except the US won’t do anything to solve their part of climate change, and the change in leadership will not affect their inaction. I think the best bet for solving climate change is a shift to renewable energy and laws and standards for AI and bot use.
Every country also contributes to climate change. It’s not exactly an issue where you can put sole blame on someone. China for instance, emits the most CO2, but not by per capita, and also because they handle the world’s manufacturing and emissions. The Middle East, Oceania and countries below the equator all contribute more than their share of emissions… But that’s also because they’re in a hotter, drier climate.
If you think solving climate change requires a switch to renewable energy and don’t see the difference between US Democratic and Republican Admins, you’re not approaching this from a place of rationality
Okay, what have the US Democrats done to prevent emissions? Since from my I’ve seen, they didn’t do a whole lot. Nor were they running on promises to help prevent climate change.
Can you give me a more neutral source?
What in either source isn’t accurate? I don’t think you’re approaching this in good faith
best bet for solving climate change is a shift to renewable energy
Nuclear energy is the future. Companies like Microsoft are now using entire reactors for their AI server farms.
Nuclear energy is a scam devised by mining companies and fossil fuels. That’s not to say it’s not green or not effective. But it takes almost a decade to get a single plant running efficiently and there are multiple risks involved in its operation.
Renewable energy on the other hand is so compact and efficient you can have it on roads, or on your house, or backyard, or really wherever there’s sun and wind. You can be independent with renewable energy, literally go off the grid.
Read Project 2025. And then look at the rest of the leaders that followed Fuckface 45 and his bullshit behavior. This is going to snowball to hell and back.
I don’t care about Project 2025, it’s not my country. It doesn’t affect me in any meaningful way.
You need to remember the rest of the world isn’t as stupid as the US. All the other country’s trump wannabes got humiliated, defeated and left the political scene as losers and loners.
Quit assuming the world cares about your dumpster fire. Makes you part of the problem and even more deserving of it. I’m not saying you can’t be upset, please, get mad–I’d be mad. But don’t invoke the world’s name, please, we don’t care.
People who don’t care about geopolitics are the ones who immediately turn to nationalist rhetoric when those geopolitics begin affecting them.
I care a lot about geopolitics. That’s what I’m saying. Geopolitically, the rest of the world is unaffected except for entertainment and popcorn.
You can’t draw an imaginary line between American policy and your home country. It affects everyone when more natural disasters happen or food prices rise due to global insecurity.
You can’t blame climate change on just one nation. That’s impossible.
I absolutely can blame them for global insecurity, the way Russia made grain prices rise by invading Ukraine.
Americans also have the most significant impact on climate change because they’re the biggest polluters.
Insecurity, yeah, I agree with that. With a close tie with Russia. Though it’s hard to tell the difference now.
Tell that to Ukrainians
Trump doesn’t control the military, and there’s big money to be made in war. Currently, arms manufacturers are some of the most profitable companies. Why stop that revenue? Most likely, if the US ever stops funding Ukraine, then Europe will fund Ukraine and turn more independent and away from relying on the US for defence. Why would the US want an independent Europe?
Or maybe it’s just a masterplan from Putin, who somehow, has also convinced the generals to go along with this.
If anything, I’d be more concerned about Israel and the Middle East. It’s hard to believe that right now, Israel is holding back. Watch this space, you know?
I live in Canada, so I’m obviously biased in the sense that we’re one of the countries most affected by US politics, what with them being our largest trade partner and having a massive land border with them.
That being said, are you unaware of the global rise in right-wing extremism and fascism following the 2016 election? The US is the richest country in the world, with the largest military, and they also have a tremendous amount of soft power (at least in English-speaking countries) through their cultural influence in media exports.
I don’t understand what you gain by pretending the US isn’t a massive global power with huge influence over international relations.
Not only that, but they also contribute to climate change per capita way more than any other country and the climate don’t care about imaginary lines painted on maps
I’m not saying they aren’t powerful, just pointing out that the world isn’t very much affected by elections.
Well then you are delusional.
Oh yeah? How’s it gonna affect everyone? 2016 sure didn’t
Do you believe what you’re saying or do you pretend to believe?
I believe it from experience. My country was unaffected by 2016. Same with my neighbouring countries. Nothing dramatic or drastic occurred.
2020 was the same.
This will also be the same.
Most countries are unaffected by other countries’ elections.
This is the proletariat view of the world.
For anyone who isn’t just a common wage worker and is aware of how markets work, it is very definitely not the case.
A cog in the machine cannot perceive the machine’s changing output.
Did you read Marxism in a fucking tiktok? what nonsense.
Silly prole. Why would I read about Marxism on how to play the stock market?
Go be a good cog now and create that surplus value for me to extract.
weird larp
You said the rest of the world doesn’t care, the lemmy downvote count determined that to be a lie.
oh nooo, not reddit downvotes, anything but those, I’m ruined!
Never mind the fact that Lemmy is predominantly american and that instances outside of the US haven’t gotten downvoted for also not caring. I’m trying to say is that Americans downvoted me, and those who are not American upvoted me. Still–Don’t care
Some people need social networks and a large number of users to create the bubbles of ideology they eventually become trapped in. Some people are capable of doing that all by their lonely self.
The irony of your comment is lost on you, and your country paid the price. You’d think that’d wake you up that you were a vocal minority all along.
But no. Even when all of these hidden trump supporters, who were fully masked, finally come out en masse to explain that they voted for him because of this safe-space echo-chamber attitude you guys adopt–You double down, even on foreigners like myself, who have no stake in any of this. Perhaps your country will improve when you start uniting instead of dividing.
Moron says things that reveal he doesn’t even know the country of who he’s speaking about. You are a complete utter moron, a complete utter fool, and frankly, utterly disgusting. Go fuck yourself, you self admitted troll. Mods and admins who look at this comment, do yourself a favor, look at his profile and ban him. Ban me too, but I’m not going to respect shit like him.
In a way it’s less upsetting reading something so short-sighted, because the chance to stop it has probably passed. We’ll all find out together the massive scope of this problem.
Short-sighted? Please. Nothing major changed in the world from 2016. There was Korea, and… That’s bout it. Geopolitically.
I agree with the sentiment. There are so many “democracy is dead” posts that make me want to scream “motherfucker, it’s dead in America, not worldwide”. The US is one country out of over a hundred. Many of us are just glad that you’ll finally shut the fuck up about your election.
With that said, from a climate perspective it fucks everyone over. From a business perspective the economy tanking will affect markets worldwide. For Ukrainians and Palestinians, there’s a huge shift towards Russia and Israel that will be problematic for decades.
It’s americans, they’re always so dramatic. Best just ignore em
I’d say either way it the climate fucks everyone other. Democrats didn’t care for climate change except for virtue signalling, they wouldn’t have done anything, they prefer the status quo instead of acting as opposition. Probably what made them lose. And there’s also Musk, who makes a business from renewable energy, again though, that’s just virtue signalling. Business will probably thrive, honestly, more chance to exploit the working class. Ukraine will be fine, they’re supported by Europe and it’s against the US’s interests to let Europe be independent. Palestine is indeed fucked though, Iran too.
But I’m a goat, I don’t know much except for salt.
Hahaha. You need to grow up a little.
Saying that the world is diverse, huge and isn’t primarily affected by US elections is immature? Explain
‘Beware the beast Man, for he is the Devil’s pawn! Alone among God’s primates, he kills for sport, or lust or greed. Yea, he will murder his brother to possess his brother’s land. Let him not breed in great numbers, for he will make a desert of his home and yours.’
I’ve got bad news for you about the other primates…
Yeah, but they don’t have the ability to fuck the planet like we do.
Let’s ignore the fact that the US has become the world’s largest oil exporter under the current administration. full disclosure: not a yank
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