I believe we’re already there. Collapse is slow and honestly boring
Yeah, people seem to expect a large sudden catastrophic shift… but, day to day we’re all dying out here as corporate greed sucks us all dry.
That really is the sad part, huh?
On literally every front, of like 50, it’s those 200 rich guys driving each crisis into overdrive in the name of adding a number to their net worth.
And cops. They just do what they do because they are shitty human beings.
paid to be shitty human beings.
Some areas have decent pay, but not batter, frame, and murder ALL the poor and youth level of pay.
Romans didn’t suddenly wake up in ruins one day and decide to become medieval instead.
I like the argument that the Roman empire didn’t collapse but rather transformed into the Catholic church.
Here’s an unpopular opinion: we’re gonna make it.
Things will change. Societies and cultures will change. The environment will change. We will adapt.
There will be challenges. There have always been challenges. We will overcome them.
There are enormous reasons for optimism. We are on the cusp of spreading out into the solar system. Everyday people have access to all of the knowledge in every library on the planet. We have the opportunity to become what our ancestors could only have dreamed of.
Don’t let headlines or fatalism or tunnel vision distract from the big picture. We as a species are going to make it.
EDIT: I’ll just leave this here. https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.aap8731
Without serious degrowth in the economy, something the type of economy we have won’t allow, or mass genocide the human race will be beyond lucky to see the 2200s. Genocide being wrong, we only have one viable option and we will have to force it on those in power, if we are to stand any chance.
The spirit of capitalism is not going to return us, draped in the splendor of new technology, to spirit us away to a new, perfect home amongst the heavens where we will be absolved of our past planetary transgressions and all live in perpetual growth forever.
We’ve heard that story before and, this time, need a better solution.
Based on … What? A general sense of malaise?
Malthus was full of shit.
We’ve got nearly unlimited raw materials and energy available in the solar system. Now we have the technology to utilize them. That’s exactly what we’ll do.
No, the endless scientific reports that show a clear trend in data that you have already chosen to ignore in order to arrive at the conclusion you decided you would reach long before you reviewed any data.
Again, no, our saviour isn’t going to come from the heavens. A can-do attitude isn’t going to fix the problems we have. The answer isn’t to capitalism harder.
It costs billions just to bring a few rocks back from the moon. What on earth has convinced you we can bring back enough to sustain an entire planet?
Why bring rocks back when there’s plenty of ore underfoot?
Also did your “countless studies” that you totally read and didn’t just skim the headlines of not mention the natural trend of declining birth rates as education levels increase? Kind of seems like an oversight for someone who thinks there’s too many humans.
Plenty for what exactly?
I see, not content with making up your own science and your own reality, you have to make up that I only read the headlines. Oh, and despite me clearly saying genocide is of course wrong, I apparently think there’s too many humans too. Definitely a pattern emerging with you.
I think we can see how you came to your “conclusions” and it certainly wasn’t the mountains of evidence proving you wrong.
Some did mention it and some were about energy usage, the lack of materials we need to go full renewable, models of every option other than ECONOMIC degrowth, how ridiculous the idea of the answer being in the stars is, the crazy energy cost just to get closer to fully renewable, the concerted effort of lobby groups to convince people everything will be fine despite the evidence of their eyes and ears, the lack of being able to store renewable energy, the ultra high energy cost of extracting and refining uranium and many, many more problems not resolved by people being born at a slower rate.
Seems a bit too much for toxic positivity to cope with.
You thinking positivity and optimism are toxic tells me everything I need to know about you.
The rest of us are going to move the species forward. The least you can do is try to keep your fatalism to yourself until you grow out of it.
No, toxic positivity is toxic but that you chose to twist that to something no one said says everything anyone will ever need to know about you.
You don’t even care what the truth is do you?
Even then, that pales in comparison to your attempt at dismissing hard evidence and the scientific consensus of 99.9% of the worlds scientists as “a general millais.” That was hilarious by the way and the peak of arrogance.
Speaking of grownups, we’ll be accepting the evidence of our eyes and ears, despite how adorable as your little appeal to hedonistic nihilism and weaponised ignorance was.
It can be fixed and, as such, its not fatalism. So, wrong on all accounts. All youre doing is further demonstrating your appalling reading comprehension, presuming any good faith from you, which is how you ended up thinking the silly nonsense you’ve come to believe.
Grow up, you don’t know more than all the scientists.
We’ll colonize the inhabitable world in Alpha centauri at around 2205 and the one in Sirius two years later. Deal with it.
Edit: Normies haven’t played Stellaris…awful times.
The planet won’t be able to sustain life before then, if we haven’t changed nearly everything about society. Deal with it.
Edit: again, no, we won’t be transported to a new, perfect home amongst the heavens, washing away our past planetary sins. Youre getting confused with something else.
Don’t be a sucker
Can’t even sort Syria out and you’re thinking about Sirius 😂
What society? All society? Western society? American society? Russian society? It’s too broad a question, but-
The answer will always be greed over wealth and power imo. Greed drives basically all the evil in the world and pours down from top to bottom. We already see breakdowns in society when greed reaches levels that cause people to struggle to survive.
The response is almost always violent, until the balance of power is more equal. There are several nations around the world that are closer to collapse than people would like to believe.
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Southwest has plenty of water for a while. Lots of rain, lots of snow on the mountains.
The cities trucking in their water are unique. They built their cities incorrectly, or are very old. I truck water in, but it’s because drilling a well is a lot more expensive and the water isn’t great unless it’s treated.
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Much of the water in the sw is from the ground and mountains.
Water from the Colorado is used because it’s easier to access. It’s going to be the fire to go and the most observable.
In the desert communities , if you live near a mountain range that gets snow then you’re likely sitting on top of a lot of water.
6 years until a massive coffee crop failure plunges the world into chaos.
Probably a combination of climate cascade effects and another pandemic.
The massive captive factory chicken and pig populations are a ticking time bomb, but changes to ocean current and weather patterns have the possibility of being more like someone flicking s switch.
Lack of decent bread in the US. Coupled with some good cheese.
That’s very US self oriented but maybe true who knows 🤗
Seriously on the bread: why is it so expensive, and why doesn’t it fit in my toaster? I used to only buy the cheapest store-brand “bread” but it is so misshapen and falls apart before it even gets out of the bar, not to mention the lack of any taste.
Any recommendations for a good white bread? (White bread being the best kind for grilled cheese; my predominant factor in choosing bread.)
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~10 years. It will arrive sooner than people think. We are already in…
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climate. …the unpredictable zone of the climate change. The situation is worse than people are thinking.
On a less catastrophic note, millennials could be the last generation to die of natural death. The 2024 newborns will probably die of the consequences of climate change.
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All these people think they know, as if predictions about the future have ever been more accurate than random chance.
10-20 years, climate change will cause massive drought which will cripple the food supply.
Doesn’t have to be a complete or even large collapse of society, but it’ll definitely hit way way harder than what covid did. Mass starvation in every developing country, food hoarding, some governments pretending to care, some profiteering on limited supplies, the usual.
A lot of the current economic and geopolitical problems are actually solvable even in a final stance scenario. But no one can literally form clouds to replace lost irrigation or reverse climate change in less than a year. Desalination, even on max funding, would not be nearly enough to replace the water that comes from rainfall, especially huge river systems like the Indus, Nile, etc.
It depends on the society. European culture has forever to go for example, while the main Asian and American cultures probably have about three more centuries. I’m going by history when I make those predictions.
But I mean that’s a good thing. Every culture gets replaced by a new culture at some point. We had the roman culture, the greek culture, ancient egypt, the inkas, babylonians… They all went away. Currently we have our current culture. I’m glad it replaced the middle ages at some point. And I’m sure we’re also not the pinnacle of cultures… Something else will follow, if humankind continues to exist.
Martians, Belters, Laconians …
Less time than anyone thinks, but more time than what some people want. ;)
Could happen multiple ways. Unpopular opinion on Lemmy who like to bury their head in the sand.
Western civilation is going to die from immigration. Places like the UK the largest cities are less than 50% white British. It’s worse the younger down the age groups you get.
There is also the issue of population growth. I’m not sure our best and brightest are having the most kids anywhere in the world really yet world population increases.
The trajectory we are on is that we are doomed or maybe a country like China will make some difficult decisions that western countries won’t and that will benefit them long term.
Best case scenario is AI gets to the point it can save us from ourselves. Which is the scariest thing of all.
Within the next 100 years maybe 200. The west will continue to weaken from multiple directions. The third world will continue to increase population and overuse their resources and miss manage the economy. Global warming will throw petrol onto the fire and mass immigration will happen. Some big war is also going to kick off and that will be the collapse of society (but I don’t think so severe a new one can’t be built). That will be the end of the West being the greatest place to live.
What an astounding gathering of terrible takes.
Seeing as this is a loose and free question on society I feel like I have hit some pretty key points that are already happening. Which of these isn’t true?
Immigration changing society
Genetics and multigenerational values.
China doing things no other country will e.g. one child policy.
Global warming and destruction of the environment.
War.
AI having the possibility of being great or terrible.
Societies having limited lifespans. If anything this is the most likely to be inaccurate because societies can collapse a lot quicker
Race and society aren’t the same thing, a society doesn’t collapse just because the makeup of races shifts one way or the other. The best and brightest procreating thing (eugenics light) is also not new at all.
You’re not 100% wrong in all aspects of your answer or anything but your weird vaguely racists takes don’t make sense and seem a bit shitty
If immigrants come over and have different views then society becomes different.
I’ve lived in places with high immigrant populations and the city is entirely different. You can’t expect people to come over from an entirely different culture, who don’t integrate and then expect everything to be the same.
Also I didn’t pretend to have any new genius idea. I wasn’t really talking about eugenics I was talking about collapse.
Yeah different does not equal collapsed
One can fall and another can rise at the same time.
Well, seven hours so far and no response
Lmao…
How is Western civilization going to die from immigration? Just because it changes colour doesn’t mean it’s getting "destroyed ", lmao
If the values that make up that society change then yes, that’s absolutely the end of one and the beginning of another.
Values are always changing. Immigration isn’t why we accept people of other races as equals. It’s not why we accept homosexual relationships. It’s not why we accept the rights of transgendered people.
Immigration has nothing to do with any of that, and none of that means that society is collapsing, lol
China made the difficult decision to do one child per family, which was a decision a western society would never make. It turned out horribly for China. Turns out there’s a reason western cultures don’t make “the hard decisions” like that.
Time will tell.
India and places like that could have benefitted from a one child policy.
But that’s not my point. My point was most countries avoid the difficult choices.
India and places like that could have benefitted from a one child policy.
Those “benefits” come at the cost of a whole lot of dead baby girls though. Does that sound like a good trade to you?
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Okay.
A+ comment. Thanks for the contribution.
At least he performed one single heroic act in those final moments: he killed Adolf Hitler.
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I hope he’s able to make the trip and the experience inspires him to follow in his idol’s goose-steps. Just that last bit though, make it a speedrun.
North America was a beautiful place. Then the white man showed up. Been downhill ever since. So, yeah, immigration is a problem. Care to fix it?
I think that’s a perfect example of a society falling due to immigration. Thanks for helping my point.
Oh shouldn’t be more than a few hours. Reason? Since when have we needed a reason?
It will be another series of plagued like covid. Each new one will learn to mutate faster and faster until we can no longer keep up with vaccines to stop it. Time frame is probably a could hundred years.
