Google glass never actually “launched” in any meaningful sense of the word, and was a rough-as-fuck user experience.

Ironically what did it in was the ability to record video. People were so panicked about being filmed that they started reacting violently to glass users (called glassholes). From that point on it sort of became a laughing stock. Not cool. A tainted product.

Apple seems to have mitigated the obvious pitfalls, let’s see how it shakes out.

Your problem is with capitalism and an Apple VR doesn’t change that.

That’s a bingo!

Not to take away from your experience because I’m sure it was genuinely wonderful, but all I can picture for that support group is a bunch of absurd VRchat avatars sitting in a circle for a therapy session.

Which is why they’ll either be dead subtle, or they’ll offer you paid ways to avoid them.

Apple are masters of subtle corporate propaganda. They’ve indoctrinated a generation of people to believe Android is their enemy by making their messages show up in a less readable colour in the messaging app.

Have you visited a website without an ad blocker recently? Because typical web advertising has become as intrusive and annoying as technically possible, and millions of people willingly accept that.

VR/AR/Spatial Whatever has the potential to be just as bad, if not far worse.

i mean it’s easily circumventable, “and now you don’t have to worry about losing progress on your favorite game or losing battery, because when you are not using the headset it goes to sleep mode” or whatever, but you are right if the ads are too annoying people are probably not going to use it, or will they? this is the thing i already think the way ads currently are is very intrusive but there’s a large segment of people who are fine with it. and subtle ads are way worse imagine if they constantly put ads in your peripheral vision. it’s cartoonishly evil which is why it probably won’t happen but even giving that power to them is dangerous.

Not everyone cares if strangers are laughing at them. Especially the rich.

Wow your country sounds horrible and toxic, I hope things get better and it evolves to the point where people can live their own lives without needless bullying and abuse for trivial things.

People used to think someone who used a cell phone in public was a weirdo too. I remember at my high school grocery store job coworkers judging someone walking down the aisle on their phone.

I don’t think they’re any uglier than other wireless earbuds. I think it’s kinda cute that they stuck with the iPod earbud look without the wires.

Not that I have AirPods. I’m a Jabra man myself.

They’re pretty much the only company on the planet that can push the “because your friends have one” aspect in their marketing and succeed. Apple users think they’re all part of this exclusive club and really don’t care that they’re straight up being robbed by the cost.

it won’t get less bulky compared to phones. the headset will still need lenses, a display which itself needs to be a certain distance away from your eyes, a board for processing, a separate battery pack, audio, wifi, straps, space for some airflow so it doesn’t overheat and damage the display etc etc. small form factors have come a long way and it can probably get thinner, but i don’t think apple vision pro is that far off from the physical limit of how much smaller it can get.

Doesn’t valve provide login-free setup and use of SteamVR for the index and the like? Granted, you’ll need a beefy PC for it, and probably some kind of storefront for most games. But at least no Facebook login strapped to your head.

Please let me know if you ever find one. Best I have seen are the ones without head tracking or laggy tracking.

I remember this being discussed when Apple first announced it because developers have to hand off graphics to the os so the os can do the divested rendering specifically because Apple didn’t want individual apps to be able to gather data about where users are looking.

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I think VRChat is a pretty good counterargument to “nobody wants to watch movies in VR”. I myself don’t use VR or VRChat, but according to friends that do worlds with films are extremely popular. Maybe you think that’s a niche situation, but nobody I’ve known that’s tried it (more than a few people) has disliked it and all of them could just as easily watched it on a monitor. There are already thousands of people who sleep in VRChat, talk in VRChat, and play in VRChat. I actually know a really surprising amount of people that will sleep in virtual spaces, whether that be VRChat or just being in a Discord call.

Let’s bookmark your prediction and come back in 5 years when Apple has used the data they gathered from this headset to make a proper pair of AR glasses. Absolute shit take right along side all the people who said iPhone, iPad, and Apple Watch would fail.

I heard simular things about the Apple Watch.

I think augmented reality will be the future. Once someone gets it, they will dominate the market.

Someone found a way to crash the kernel, which may or may not lead to an exploit, which would be just the first step in a long process of developing a jailbreak. I wouldn’t get too excited yet. Even if one does get released, Apple can just patch the exploit, and it could easily be years before a new jailbreakable exploit is found.

If they are pushing ads that much, they will probably pause the ad until you put the device back on or close the application.

I’m going to do your take but actually properly: Don’t buy apple products.

I’d love to be able to set up a laptop and have much more screen real estate by putting on a headset. The ability to watch something like game of thrones on an airplane without the 6 year old behind me seeing shit would also be nice.

The biggest downside of the apple headset is that it’s apple and their stupid ecosystem.

I mentioned this in another Apple Vision thread, but that was one of the proposed use cases for Steve Mann’s original EyeTap device.

Bingo. At the end of the day it’s still something massive that sits on their head. It’s going to sell well as a gimmick. But people will get tired, their necks will hurt, some will get motion sickness, and over time they’ll collect dust like all of the others.

The fact is that vr technology is stunted until hardware can catch up, and by that I mean literally as easy as putting on sunglasses.

My biggest concern is that everyone will eventually be forced by societal and institutional expectations; for now people can easily choose not to wear them, but if/when your employer requires it for work or if/when the only way to talk to your friends is by using it, then you won’t have much of a choice.

For example, Zoom has very shady ties with the Chinese government (and several reports say that they’ve used it to surveil and censor people), yet many schools and workplaces required it (and many still do now). You could refuse to install/use it, but then you’d lose your job or fail your classes. It’s a similar story for TikTok, Discord, and Facebook before that.