In posts like this and elsewhere, commenters kept claiming the noun female to refer to a human is generally derogatory or offensive.
Someone wrote
Occasionally my partner does or says some things that remind me of the “manosphere” aka 4chan neckbeards.
A perfect example was that he sometimes says “females” when he means “women”. I explain that it’s not a swear word but it’s still derogatory. I explain why. Once I did, he understood and stopped doing it.
Despite abundant evidence here (search females), in classifieds, personals & online equivalents (eg, ads that limit eligibility to females), or text corpus searches revealing that the noun female referring to humans is often non-derogatory, so it all depends on the context, they’d insist that usage of the word itself is offensive, insulting, or disrespectful, and they wanted everyone taught to think that until it’s the generally accepted meaning.
They didn’t seem to consider that promoting unconventionally sexist framings (ie, female is a dirty word) for wider adoption in our language serves sexists more than anything, and it might make more sense to resist that.
abundant evidence here (search females), in classifieds, personals & online equivalents (eg, ads that limit eligibility to females), or text corpus searches revealing that the noun female referring to humans is often non-derogatory
You cite no source for what you write as if it was fact.
The fact that you try to make it look like scientific language tells me that you actually know why the term is derogatory, and you doubling down makes me think you argue in bad faith.
Statistics aren’t needed to reject an overgeneralization.
On the contrary, you would need something like statistical generalization: you’re (over)generalizing the meaning of a word.
Any counterexamples suffice to defeat a bad generalization, since no sample should contradict a true generalization: look it up or take introductory logic.
You’re overgeneralizing, and only asserting your claim doesn’t begin to meet the burden to support that.
In contrast, I’ve indicated evidence exists & where it’s readily found, which you ignore.
Ignoring evidence that doesn’t suit you is a fallacy (often committed in bad faith).
The fact remains that counterexamples to your claim are common, which wouldn’t be expected if the conventional meaning were derogatory.
“What if I would have been armed,” she said. “You’re breaking in. What am I supposed to think? My initial thought was we were being robbed—that my daughters, being females, were being kidnapped. You have guns pointed in our faces. Can you just reprogram yourself and see us as humans, as women? A little bit of mercy. […]"
So your claim is that by referring to her daughters as females, this mother is insulting them?
While I might be able to argue in “bad faith”, the unsolicited speech productions of the community do not.
Do you want to ignore more examples?
Refuting the claim “men are generally bald” merely requires the existence of a few men who aren’t.
You’re claiming “female is a derogatory noun to humans”: as shown it isn’t.
Can you explain what the mother quoted in the news is saying about her daughters if your claim about female is true?
No, your claim fails.
Deny plain observation all you want: your claim is false.
In posts like this and elsewhere, commenters kept claiming the noun female to refer to a human is generally derogatory or offensive.
Someone wrote
Despite abundant evidence here (search females), in classifieds, personals & online equivalents (eg, ads that limit eligibility to females), or text corpus searches revealing that the noun female referring to humans is often non-derogatory, so it all depends on the context, they’d insist that usage of the word itself is offensive, insulting, or disrespectful, and they wanted everyone taught to think that until it’s the generally accepted meaning. They didn’t seem to consider that promoting unconventionally sexist framings (ie, female is a dirty word) for wider adoption in our language serves sexists more than anything, and it might make more sense to resist that.
Feeeeeeeeeemales?! UGH!!!
Outside of a purely descriptive term of the biological differences between the sexes, that is derogatory.
It is often used to dehumanize women, as the term is mostly used when talking about animals.
Often used to dehumsnise women… Where?
Anywhere biggots congregate, incels often use it to degrade women.
Let’s ban all words then, in that case.
So you didn’t look at the
did you?
Why would I?
You cite no source for what you write as if it was fact.
The fact that you try to make it look like scientific language tells me that you actually know why the term is derogatory, and you doubling down makes me think you argue in bad faith.
Confirmed: couldn’t even search females in lemmy. Disregards common classified ads. Claims “bad faith” while ignoring evidence in bad faith.
Because the claim is empirical, and yours violates plain observation?
Searching random websites is anecdotal, not actual statistics
Statistics aren’t needed to reject an overgeneralization. On the contrary, you would need something like statistical generalization: you’re (over)generalizing the meaning of a word. Any counterexamples suffice to defeat a bad generalization, since no sample should contradict a true generalization: look it up or take introductory logic.
You’re overgeneralizing, and only asserting your claim doesn’t begin to meet the burden to support that. In contrast, I’ve indicated evidence exists & where it’s readily found, which you ignore. Ignoring evidence that doesn’t suit you is a fallacy (often committed in bad faith).
The fact remains that counterexamples to your claim are common, which wouldn’t be expected if the conventional meaning were derogatory.
Here’s an example quoting a story in the news:
So your claim is that by referring to her daughters as females, this mother is insulting them?
While I might be able to argue in “bad faith”, the unsolicited speech productions of the community do not. Do you want to ignore more examples?
I see no link to a study or anything, so nothing new
Counterexamples don’t require studies: learn logic.
Refuting the claim “men are generally bald” merely requires the existence of a few men who aren’t. You’re claiming “female is a derogatory noun to humans”: as shown it isn’t. Can you explain what the mother quoted in the news is saying about her daughters if your claim about female is true? No, your claim fails.
Deny plain observation all you want: your claim is false.