• thatKamGuy@sh.itjust.works
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    9 months ago

    I recently visited China, to meet my wife’s extended family.

    Let me tell you, the sheer amount of single-use plastics that are consumed by any individual throughout a regular day in a metropolitan environment, is absolutely and mind-numbingly depressing.

    Given that there are 1.3b people there, and that no matter how much we in the US/AU/EU reduce/reuse/recycle - we will never be able to truly offset that sheer amount of plastic pollution produced.

    Now I’m not saying this to be a doomer, but more-so to say that individuals can’t enact sufficient change to save this planet, we need Government and corporate incentives to shift towards sustainable alternatives, and punitive policies to disincentivise plastic production globally.

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      Lots of places in the US won’t recycle the supposedly “recyclable” plastics, it ends up in a landfill regardless of what you do. I remember all the educational initiatives about the importance of recycling when I was a kid. Turns out it was all just propaganda to make us feel responsible for problems caused by corporations.

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      plastic waste per capita: the US is at top(if we exclude small island nations)
      plastic waste in absolute terms: the US is not far behind China, with India at a distant third place.

      the reduction is plastic waste generation in China is far more than that of US1.

      so, what I mean to say is that more people ≠ more pollution. but I do agree that the problem is to be tackled with active participation of the government, which won’t be there because of muh economy.


      [1]: By 2016, China’s overall plastic waste production had fallen to 21.60 million tons, a reduction of nearly 28 million tons (for comparison, U.S. production fell less than 4 tons during the same time period). Moreover, despite being one of the largest overall producers of plastic waste, China’s per capita production of plastic waste was one of the lowest in the world in 2016 at 15.6 kilograms a year per person.

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      9 months ago

      Oh man that’s a drop in the bucket compared to medical/industrial/commercial plastic waste lol.

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    9 months ago

    Also fuck bamboo straws and other paper straws filled with PFAS. just use a normal straw or none at all

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      9 months ago

      Maybe beverages could be served in containers that don’t require a straw. I wouldn’t mind being served a can or a bottle instead a cardboard cup.

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        The main issue is drinks with ice. But maybe we could add a retainer on top of the glass to hold the ice so we can sip directly from the cup.

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          My teeth make pretty good retainers. It seems like a weird nostalgia thing. There must be far more pop consumed in a bottle than in a fast food cup, and I’ve never seen anyone put a straw in a bottle (except on tv).

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      9 months ago

      I was recently served a long macaroni as a straw in a restaurant. It was honestly amazing how well it worked! At no point it was mushy and there’s nothing in it that I wouldn’t eat with my pasta dish anyway.

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        Despite very limited usage, metal straws have caused major injuries including fatalities. Turns out having a metal stick pointed at all sorts of sensitive soft tissue is a risk.

        Meanwhile, if using your own straw with a restaurants disposable cup, hardly helps since the cup is still being waste. If using it with reusable cups, it won’t save you from any sanitation issues, since the drink is right in contact with the container. It may be useful for sanitation reasons with a can, but again, the can is disposable. Even if you recycle it, the coating on the inside and the paint on the outside probably are about as much as the plastic straw you spared.

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            Either is a risk if actively walking. Straw is more likely to be used on the move. I get self conscious about even carrying forks or knives on stairs.

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                Well, no, just I’m personally apprehensive. I can’t find a story about someone getting killed while using a fork, I can find that about metal straws. I’d personally favor just drinking straight from a cup with my mouth, or a reusable flexible straw if the beverage were something like a milkshake.

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                  Don’t forget about reporting bias. You’re more likely to find stories about Metal straw deaths because metal straws are not common. So when it does happen it’s considered news, just like how you’re going to see reports about almost every single EV fire and yet hundreds of cars Catch Fire every day and you almost never hear about that. Hell you’ve probably driven by a standard gasoline engine fire more than once in your life and thought very little of it

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      Implicitly includes Taylor though, she’s not off the hook

      Just all the others are also on the hook now

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        Sure it does, but we should ask why she became the meme and not any of the other billionaires, who are overwhelmingly white men.

        It’s like when I pointed out to my kid that the Karen meme is pretty sexist, they pointed out that there’s also Ken. And I asked them, in all the meme compilations they watch, how many Kens are there for every ten Karens? They said, “maybe 2 or 3.” I pointed out that that imbalance is the problem, and they were like, “oooohh yeah.”

        A 10 year old gets this when it’s explained to them simply. Anyone who pretends they don’t get this is covering for something they don’t want to admit.

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    I don’t know if all these recent jet memes are people just joking around or are you people actually convinced private jets are the problem?

    Taylor swift, and every single billionaire alive could be flying 24/7/365 OR NOT and it would make absolutely no difference to fighting climate change.

    The main polluters are industry and farming.

    All this other shit around are just distractions keeping you from actually going after the people that are causing our crisis.

    I don’t know if it’s astroturfing or what, but it seems like it’s deliberate manipulation to keep people inactive.

    You memeing on Tylor or using wood straws, or recycling your soda can does fuck all. A single paper plant will dump out so much co2 and pollution that will negate the effort of millions.

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      A lot of it is political at end of day.

      Taylor Swift is looking to be a supporter of the Democratic Party in US, so the Republicans are running targeted attacks on her to reduce credibility as the election is coming up.

      It’s nothing new but just be aware that people posting these memes may just be bots/paid marketers essentially.