Easier when you control the media as well. Simply stop reporting on it, and people forget it exists.

I’m not so sure about that. A lot of people left, mods were replaced, and at least it seems like in my experience reddit is much more full of bots now, and less worth visiting. Add in the slow death of old reddit, it’s simply another Facebook which I haven’t needed to visit in 10+ years.

Yeah, I think that’s basically it. Reddit was full of bots, and now it’s just bots arguing with each other and trying to shove whatever they are promoting in front of you. Add in the slow death of old reddit, it’s simply not worth going to the site any longer.

You really need to look up your information. We absolutely didn’t go from 80 to 40 hours via productivity increase, or unions. Maybe start looking into the labor movement and those who died because of it.

Anywho you are arguing and not actually making a point here, so have a good life. I guess we can all pray you have a useless enough job in life that you can work 20 hours a week and not be needed for any more.

I think you’d have to get rid of going out as well, but food is food.

At least in the US, food expenditures are roughly 15-20% of income. Housing is 30%.

Like buddy, imagine in a world where that works. Where are these extra nurses coming from? It’s not even demand for nurses, it’s time to teach and educate them. It’s like you believe people cable, educated, certified to do jobs can be spun up with a snap of the finger. Doctors are already say in the US highly paid positions. And you can’t get enough of them because it takes too long to educate them, outstripping demand.

So you entire premise fails. You want to reduce the working hours of the population by 40% and expect those people to simply exist. The UE rate is what again? Certainly not 40%. So you have to do more with far far less.

And no, profits wouldn’t take a hit, you simply raise prices, and now for those hours you are working, you can’t afford anything. Since you can’t afford anything, those businesses go out of business and now you don’t have a job.

That’s the problem. Small companies, niche companies can do this pretty easily and move the costs onto customers. Most industries cannot. Know how we went from a 60-80 hour work week to a 40 hour work week? We sent the jobs overseas, where they still fork 80+ hours a week, for far less money.

Great concept, until you look anything deeper than the surface.

Yeah, clearly not a lot of photographers in here.

Then perhaps figure out ways to train and teach them quicker, better, and pay them all less, because that’s what you are suggesting.

Boy, you seem to think you know a lot of things, and yet know very little. For someone like me who is working on cures for blindness, no I don’t want to work less hours. I actually want to help cure blindness.

Those nurses? No they don’t want to work less when there aren’t others trained to do their job.

Perhaps you work a job that’s has no use to society and if you worked less it wouldn’t matter, but that’s not a lot of jobs.

Look at inflation vs productivity gain charts.

What exeriment would you propose then?

Bring down the costs of housing, food, oh, and entertainment as well. Guess you could bring down restaurant costs if you pay people less, but then you have the same exact problem being asked here.

I mean I can believe in sky daddy as well, but doesn’t mean it’s reality. Know how we went from 80 hour weeks to 40 hour weeks? A lot of people died, and a whole lot of immigrants were needed to make up the hours, oh and women were now needed in the workforce as well, because pay certainly wasn’t going to raise high enough to keep up with costs. I’m not sure forcing more people to work ultimately for less is a great idea. Seems easier to push minimum wages up, or better yet, to unionize so minimum wages aren’t needed as companies wouldn’t be able to hire for less than the labor is worth (or simply wouldn’t exist as a business).

I mean if you look at inflation vs productivity gains, those gains are completely erased several fold in the US and have been since the 70’s.

You seemed to miss the point entirely as well. The PM’s suggestion represents a 40% decrease in the labor market. You wouldn’t be able to make up that loss without hiring a whole lot more people, which would put most places out of business. Thinking gains would come from productivity increases, that’s simply not going to happen, as inflation has far outpaced labor productivity for the last 60 years. Finland’s Unemployment rate is roughly 13% currently, so even hiring all of those people to make up for missed labor will not come close to solving the gap.

As normal, great aspirational idea that has zero basis in reality.

You don’t see health care outcomes improve when you remove 40% of hours. Come on now.

Depends on the situation. Suddenly going to 60% of the work load isn’t suddenly going to make the country or it’s people more productive. You’d need to hire more people to get the work done and Finland’s unemployment rate is already at 13%. So this would be a pretty poor solution when it comes to economics for everyone, unless you pay people less because they are working less hours.

Isn’t that no different than the millions of open source projects that have few authors, little interest and are abandoned for the next shiny thing? At least in my mind with the current state of LLMs, if there is an open source project that you want to update for yourself, you should be able to do that pretty easily.

Exactly. Oh I have this small problem, or solution I want to solve. Great I can put something together quickly and move on with life. I am not selling it, and it’s not even needed for ‘open source’ because its often incredibly niche problems that I am trying to solve for, that I wouldn’t be able to do elsewise.