Dude the president just declared birthright citizenship illegal and deployed the mari!es to crack down on peaceful protests against ice blatant violating the 4th amemdment.
Nobody. Gives. A. Shit. About your fucking constitution.
No, he didn’t. He wrote an executive order. That’s not a law. It’s a directive to the executive branch, and we are in no way obligated to follow it as citizens.
SCOTUS ruled that a district judge cannot impose a nationwide injunction against the executive order. Each judge will now have to rule on the case of birthright citizenship independently. The 14th amendment is very clear.
So because you believe something will happen, we should lead a small, unsuccessful, violent revolution to ensure that it does happen?
How about you keep your big feelings to yourself while the people who have successfully grown a resistance from a few hundred thousand to ~10M in four months continue to successfully plan and execute a real resistance.
What about growing numbers is confusing to you? 10M people is ~2% of our nation. We couldn’t collectively get anything done, yet. We’re growing a resistance through organized protests.
You clearly haven’t read enough on the topic. Do some research and then we can talk. Until then, your opinion is woefully uninformed.
You’re just repeating talking points and numbers, not engaging with what im saying. You can see how that might make me feel vindicated unexpectedly quickly?
I know the first piece of theory you read is very heady, but please keep reading.
Yes. I’ve cited sources, provided facts, and quoted statistics. You’ve repeatedly used inflammatory language to share your feelings. How could you possibly think your argument is credible based on emotion. Provide documentation refuting my claim of peaceful protests being an effective engagement system to grow our numbers and I’ll reconsider my stance, but not before.
The thing about history and power is that there’s always enough lies to tell any story you want to.
But generally ‘peaceful’ movements work best as a visible face to allow power a graceful surrender. Which means you guys get all the credit and a ton of divisive fuvking sanctimony while people willing to push in more radical ways get a little bit of night watchman syndrome. Dont let that shit work. If you try to discredit your allies, you’re working for the enemy.
Theres a value in that option for non-humiliating surrender, in many cases. It’s generally been a great need-for-force-divider¹ but when you’re up against nazis, people with not an ounce of grace subtlety or sportsmanship within them, who do not get yo feel big for listening to people and changing course, it has not historically been useful. To them even communication is kind of an attack, so there is no way to disagree with civility, and the whole mechanism of peaceful opposition is undermined.
Your enemy, who they are, what drives them, and their horizons of action are absolutely factors that need to be taken into account when choosing strategy. These guys get hard when they think of shooting into a crowd.
The doctrine and driving force behind your people is also fucking important. It’s more than just having people/not having people. A shitlib who wants to be at the party, a conscript who doesnt want to be hunted as a deserter, someone with a particular interest, and a die hard true believer, all have different horizons of action and lengths they’ll push to, or be pushed to before breaking.
I do think this would have been important and the most effective thing against the biden regime, or a hypothetical harris regime, but i doubt we wouldve gotten it.
I agree violence is fucking scary and I’d rather not. I just don’t think that’s on the table.
They are funding ICE with 10 billion dollars. ICE will not be used just for immigration. It will be filled with Nationalist goons and thugs and ICE will be the group that goes after citizens and dissenters.
Give it a year and large protests against the current regime will probably not be allowed.
So you think it makes sense to bring violence and provoke that step before we have the numbers we need for a successful resistance, rather than continuing to grow our numbers under our legal protections?
I think you mistake me for someone else. I’ve made no argument here.
Having said that, I think you need to start doing something yesterday. You need to start shooting at ICE if they come masked, without badges or identifying names. You have no way to distinguish them from random cartel kidnappers.
If you have no idea who they are, what department they work under, if they have a valid order to take a person, or information where they are taking that person, and no way to lodge a complaint against the agent, this is basically an outlaw. A threat. A risk to life, liberty and happiness.
Dude the president just declared birthright citizenship illegal and deployed the mari!es to crack down on peaceful protests against ice blatant violating the 4th amemdment.
Nobody. Gives. A. Shit. About your fucking constitution.
No, he didn’t. He wrote an executive order. That’s not a law. It’s a directive to the executive branch, and we are in no way obligated to follow it as citizens.
SCOTUS ruled that a district judge cannot impose a nationwide injunction against the executive order. Each judge will now have to rule on the case of birthright citizenship independently. The 14th amendment is very clear.
He declared, and people are going along. ‘Law’ does not seem to matter here.
We are not obligated as citizens. Thats what the men with guns are for.
Thats some tepid-ass bullshit for a part of thr constitution, it almost doesnt matter that the administration is going to wipe their asses with it.
So because you believe something will happen, we should lead a small, unsuccessful, violent revolution to ensure that it does happen?
How about you keep your big feelings to yourself while the people who have successfully grown a resistance from a few hundred thousand to ~10M in four months continue to successfully plan and execute a real resistance.
You use that phrase a lot. I feel like you’re not actually reading what im typing.
It’s not a resistance if it can’t actually do anything. I’m not sure the milder thing is necessarily the easy sell.
What about growing numbers is confusing to you? 10M people is ~2% of our nation. We couldn’t collectively get anything done, yet. We’re growing a resistance through organized protests.
You clearly haven’t read enough on the topic. Do some research and then we can talk. Until then, your opinion is woefully uninformed.
You’re just repeating talking points and numbers, not engaging with what im saying. You can see how that might make me feel vindicated unexpectedly quickly?
I know the first piece of theory you read is very heady, but please keep reading.
Yes. I’ve cited sources, provided facts, and quoted statistics. You’ve repeatedly used inflammatory language to share your feelings. How could you possibly think your argument is credible based on emotion. Provide documentation refuting my claim of peaceful protests being an effective engagement system to grow our numbers and I’ll reconsider my stance, but not before.
The thing about history and power is that there’s always enough lies to tell any story you want to.
But generally ‘peaceful’ movements work best as a visible face to allow power a graceful surrender. Which means you guys get all the credit and a ton of divisive fuvking sanctimony while people willing to push in more radical ways get a little bit of night watchman syndrome. Dont let that shit work. If you try to discredit your allies, you’re working for the enemy.
Theres a value in that option for non-humiliating surrender, in many cases. It’s generally been a great need-for-force-divider¹ but when you’re up against nazis, people with not an ounce of grace subtlety or sportsmanship within them, who do not get yo feel big for listening to people and changing course, it has not historically been useful. To them even communication is kind of an attack, so there is no way to disagree with civility, and the whole mechanism of peaceful opposition is undermined.
Your enemy, who they are, what drives them, and their horizons of action are absolutely factors that need to be taken into account when choosing strategy. These guys get hard when they think of shooting into a crowd.
The doctrine and driving force behind your people is also fucking important. It’s more than just having people/not having people. A shitlib who wants to be at the party, a conscript who doesnt want to be hunted as a deserter, someone with a particular interest, and a die hard true believer, all have different horizons of action and lengths they’ll push to, or be pushed to before breaking.
I do think this would have been important and the most effective thing against the biden regime, or a hypothetical harris regime, but i doubt we wouldve gotten it.
I agree violence is fucking scary and I’d rather not. I just don’t think that’s on the table.
¹effectively force multiplier
So is yours.
Provide a source contradicting my claim. That’s how adults debate. Your comment is childish banter.
THE CONSTITUTION DOES NOT MEAN JACK SHIT TO NAZIS.
FUCK OFF, SHITLIB.
Then why haven’t we been arrested for protesting yet? Oh, right, because it’s still protected.
Maybe you should talk to a therapist about those big feelings instead of typing all caps and name-calling.
The big word is YET.
They are funding ICE with 10 billion dollars. ICE will not be used just for immigration. It will be filled with Nationalist goons and thugs and ICE will be the group that goes after citizens and dissenters.
Give it a year and large protests against the current regime will probably not be allowed.
So you think it makes sense to bring violence and provoke that step before we have the numbers we need for a successful resistance, rather than continuing to grow our numbers under our legal protections?
Do you see how your argument makes no sense?
I think you mistake me for someone else. I’ve made no argument here.
Having said that, I think you need to start doing something yesterday. You need to start shooting at ICE if they come masked, without badges or identifying names. You have no way to distinguish them from random cartel kidnappers.
If you have no idea who they are, what department they work under, if they have a valid order to take a person, or information where they are taking that person, and no way to lodge a complaint against the agent, this is basically an outlaw. A threat. A risk to life, liberty and happiness.
These people should be shot at.
💯 this mofo said calm the fuck down, Mueller’s got this
Not any more.