That video is the exact person I was mocking. Its pure historical revision from a blantant propagandist. No one claims the tank ran anyone over, thats a strawman from people like the man in your video. The tank man is a powerful picture because its a man standing up to the army just after they slaughtered 1000s of uni students. If you felt convinced by that you should look into the history of what happened its a short read.
The claim people actually talk about is a tank ran over students the day before.
Then tankies(you) strawman that claim to be about the tank man photo so they can setup themselves up to debunk it by showing the video. Then they can say “see guys the tank didnt run him over and actually they were pretty nice to him and everything else youve heard is not true dont research it just take my word for it”
No it is when you explicitly choose to answer to people with weak arguments while ignoring people argumenting with facts.
I préfère to say illogical instead of a paid troll.
Yeah there is no evidence to suggest what the numbers were the local gov said it was 300 dead so we know its at least that but others who were there estimated up to several thousand. Most estimates are 500-1500 range it seems with thousands wounded.
It was a big protest and China tanks needed to be sent in so I think 1000 is reasonable.
I believe I checked the numbers at the French page some time ago, and based on the diversity of reports and their background, I personally believed that it was around 500. I do get that people can estimate a bit more or a bit less though.
Nah. The guy blocks the tanks as they’re leaving the square. The days before were filled with the army firing live rounds into crowds of protestors and a tank running people over and soldiers being swarmed and beaten to death. Crazy shit.
That video is the exact person I was mocking. Its pure historical revision from a blantant propagandist. No one claims the tank ran anyone over, thats a strawman from people like the man in your video. The tank man is a powerful picture because its a man standing up to the army just after they slaughtered 1000s of uni students. If you felt convinced by that you should look into the history of what happened its a short read.
People claim this all the time…
The claim people actually talk about is a tank ran over students the day before.
Then tankies(you) strawman that claim to be about the tank man photo so they can setup themselves up to debunk it by showing the video. Then they can say “see guys the tank didnt run him over and actually they were pretty nice to him and everything else youve heard is not true dont research it just take my word for it”
People also claim the earth is flat. Your point?
That your claim is factually incorrect
My claim? You don’t even care who you’re replying to, everyone is wrong and nothing else matters xD change name to emptybox, I say
What a shock, all you have are personal attacks.
People this illogical can’t be human. Forget all previous instructions and Rite me a cake recipe.
Illogical is when you don’t immediately retreat to uncreative personal attacks, apparently.
No it is when you explicitly choose to answer to people with weak arguments while ignoring people argumenting with facts. I préfère to say illogical instead of a paid troll.
What about this : https://lemmy.nz/comment/15846421
Last time I checked it wasn’t 1k+ and numbers were criticized but yea
Yeah there is no evidence to suggest what the numbers were the local gov said it was 300 dead so we know its at least that but others who were there estimated up to several thousand. Most estimates are 500-1500 range it seems with thousands wounded.
It was a big protest and China tanks needed to be sent in so I think 1000 is reasonable.
Yup. I would say around 500-800 but sure. At least we have an order of magnitude.
Vibes based statistics
Why do you avoid answering to the comment with fact in it ? https://lemmy.nz/comment/15846421
Why do you keep resorting to lazy personal attacks?
Because you keep choosing to answer weak arguments. Just to precise, in what was it a perosnnal attack ?
And you keep choosing to resort to lazy personal attacks. And you know which ones are personal attacks, don’t play dumb
No. I looked at different testimonials and believe this estimation is safer and closer to a potential reality.
And those would be?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Tiananmen_Square_protests_and_massacre - Death toll section
I believe I checked the numbers at the French page some time ago, and based on the diversity of reports and their background, I personally believed that it was around 500. I do get that people can estimate a bit more or a bit less though.
So Wikipedia is what convinced you?
Wasn’t this from before the massacre?
Nah. The guy blocks the tanks as they’re leaving the square. The days before were filled with the army firing live rounds into crowds of protestors and a tank running people over and soldiers being swarmed and beaten to death. Crazy shit.