

There are also moral virtues.


There are also moral virtues.


I disagree with your line of logic then. Something doesn’t need to be a moral duty to be moral. It’s not a moral duty for a poor person to donate to charity, but being charitable is a moral act.
Similarly, you can probably point to edge cases where the following line of logic cannot be applied broadly due to people’s circumstances.
For me personally,
Livestock animals are sentient, they display a preference to live and be free from suffering and confinement.
I do not need to purchase animal products to be healthy and happy.
In the absence of necessity, intentionally confining, harming and killing animals is not morally justifiable.


How could I agree or disagree if I have no reasoning for your position? You made the claim that veganism is amoral, that’s an uncommon and interesting position. I’m curious about your reasoning.


You keep making claims without elaborating on them. If you just don’t want to talk about it, that’s cool.


Are you saying that morality does not factor into how humans treat animals?


What’s your ethical argument for not being vegan?


Help me out here then. You said being vegan and not being vegan are both ethical choices, like the trolley problem.
In the trolley problem, an ethical case can be made for pulling the lever or not, so I thought you were saying an ethical argument could be made for both being vegan and not being vegan. I was curious to hear your argument for the latter.
Can you elaborate on what you actually meant?


Curious to hear your explanation for how being non-vegan can be more ethical than being vegan. I’ve heard some people make interesting cases for this, by the way, but I’ve yet to see one that can be practically applied as an alternative to our current food system.


Nah I’m good actually…
For anything that calls for ground beef, I usually sub TVP or green lentils. Both are cheap, shelf stable and healthy options.
Wingman is the term you’re looking for.
But in my date’s opinion, he was clam jamming her!
I had a girl bring a guy friend along on our first date without giving me a heads up for the same reason. I was like, ok that’s a little weird but whatever. I’m certainly not going to give someone shit for doing something that makes them feel comfortable. Ended up chatting it up with the guy friend who turned out to be super cool.
So me and the girl end up seriously dating after a while and she later tells me that she spent most of our first date trying to subtly get her friend to leave so that she could spend more time with me.
Dogs and cats can definitely perceive spiciness from capsaicin. Are you maybe thinking about birds? They cannot.
“Remove the label”
Hoss, we’re in a Wayfair 3 piece faux leather sectional.


Let that poor mouse go. He has stories to tell his friends.


Why wouldn’t you fight against animal cruelty?
The industries that I choose not to financially support do, hence why I don’t support them.