No need for apologies, you don’t mean it and i don’t really care about your opinion enough to warrant it.

judging by the replies so far I wouldn’t expect any level of good faith discourse

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Responding with a deflection is on brand though, so kudos for consistency.

I think you have me mistaken for someone else.

You don’t need to prove anything, and judging by the replies so far I wouldn’t expect any level of good faith discourse so no need to worry about my expectations.

Does the fact that the democrats are shitty politicians somehow negate the fact that trump is an incompetent manchild with apparently no checks and balances ?

Or are they, in fact, two entirely unrelated things that can both be true ?

An unrelated strawman is a poor distraction from you not actually addressing what is being said.

Though i suppose if you don’t actually have anything to say on the subject a strawman is better than nothing, for a given value of “better”.

And somebody who includes health in their metric of enjoyment will have a different threshold

Indeed, but my comment was a reply to another poster who was implying a specific metric.

I was just trying to point out that metric isn’t the same for everyone, even a composite metric will differ person to person

That assumes that enjoyment is the only metric, which is common, but not universal.

Some people can think the movie is of high quality, but the subject matter isn’t for them, as an example.

Think of it like food:

Good food: the food you enjoy

Bad food: the food you don’t

Unless you’re basing good and bad on how “healthy” the food is (for whatever given metric of health you want to use)

They can, and do, but that’s not exactly what i was getting at.

I was saying that a (hypothetical) person, completely free of autistic traits can acquire traits very similar to how autism is expressed purely through CPTSD experience.

I fully agree that you can get ASD + CPTSD for the extra special double dose of the fun times, but it’s possible to have one without the other.

From what I’ve been told over the years by various different head people, the overlap between the outward symptoms of cptsd and autism is somewhat large.

The underlying causes are usually very different, but the expression has enough overlap that they always check for cptsd markers and questions.

In my anecdotal experience, of course.

It’s also entirely possible to have both, which makes it even more complex.

You could have not asked a question on a public forum, in a section full of people inclined to specificity , but here we are.

Even when learning to play a instrument you get feedback. When you twang the strings with your inexpert fingers and make a sound. That’s a huge source of guidance.

Ah, so you meant feedback.

Agreed.

I don’t think we’re actually disagreeing, i think i just misunderstood what you meant.

I do know from personal experience, anecdotal as it may be, that there are situations where certain feedback isn’t registered properly, or at all.

This example is fully contrived, but I’m going somewhere after so bear with me.

Take the example of the gym and that the feedback is the muscle soreness experienced after, what happens if that person doesn’t feel pain ( again, i know it’s contrived ). The effect would still be there but the feedback wouldn’t be registered.

I know pain isn’t the only feedback here I’m using this specific example as reference.

So meditation is a good example here, especially for the neurodivergent.

Let’s take the semi-common comorbidity of Alexithymia.

Not being able to recognise or properly associate the emotional feedback of whatever method of meditation you are practicing does somewhat limit the understanding of the process/benefits.

But, and this is key, it doesn’t actually inhibit all of the effects of the meditation.

There is ofc a cognitive aspect to using the feedback to guide what you are doing, but it’s not a hard requirement.

Think of it like emotional exercise where at some point your mind just buckles under strain it didn’t know was there and up until that point nothing was feeling any different.

It can be deeply unpleasant and even harmful, but it can also be a benefit if handled in a useful way.

I’m not saying it’s common, but i’d imagine its more likely than you think.

Hmm , i was working with the assumption you meant tangible results/benefits, seems i was incorrect and i retract my statement partially.

I will however die on the hill that not everything has immediate (or immediately noticeable to be more accurate) effects.

Learning to play an instrument doesn’t always result in an immediate increase in ability, same with martial arts (the skill portion, not the physical/exercise portion).

If you limit yourself to only the things that have immediately noticeable effects then you are excluding potential paths for growth.

That’s like saying that if you don’t walk out of the gym bursting out of your shirt you should stop lifting weights.

Not everything is immediate.

Sounds like you have an idea of what it means to you and are trying to foist that upon others.

The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

that’s a dictionary definition , top tier cherry picking though, congrats.

Parker from Leverage , even more so in Leverage: Redemption

i agree, but i don’t want to.

To admit that you’re wrong would be to admit that your view is the weaker one.

Perhaps I’m playing in to the scenario OP is describing but I’d argue that being wrong (let’s assume for this example it’s provably, objectively wrong) isn’t necessarily weakness, sometimes it’s just incorrectness.

i’m possibly drawing a pedantic line between weakness (a potentially valid, but weaker argument) vs incorrectness ( an argument that is provably, objectively incorrect ).

Perhaps i’m just describing the difference between subjective and objective arguments … hmmm, not sure

I think it sometimes depends on how much they have internalised their perspective on a topic as a core part of their personality.

If they perceive a disagreement with their perspective as a direct attack on their person, that can lead to subjectively bad outcomes.

There is also the possibility that what you see as a small point is a critical point to them.

Which law? in which place? at what time ?

Where it’s hosted? where it’s being accessed? the intermediate locations ?

Which license, is the license enforceable in this context? who decides if it is? what if there are conflicting decisions from different applications of law, who arbitrates?

Do you mean piracy in the maritime sense? or do you mean copyright infringement? perhaps trademark infringement? or intellectual property theft? based on which law in which geographic region ?

This isn’t even hyperbole, the things you are talking about have nuance and context, pretending they don’t is a failure of imagination or intentional trolling.

The law is the law in the very specific contexts in which it applies and is heavily open to interpretation and bias, which is (in theory) why trials and lawsuits exist.