Don’t you mean the OSI model? ISO means International Standards Organisation lol

The joys of agile programming…

Cool. That describes most religions. So either you need to convert to basically every religion at once, or you need to raise your standards of evidence.

Eh, not really. The Bibe points to specific points in time, letters appear to be addressing actual people and sending greetings, etc. They also reference real people contemporary for it’s time. I haven’t found any other religious document that does this. The Gospels and Epistles read as eyewitness testimony.

Or the crusades, when the Byzantines asked the Church for help fighting the Muslims, and the crusaders sacked and looted Constantinople, leaving them more vulnerable?

That part wasn’t right, but I can see noble intentions behind the motivations.

Then you’ll be relieved to know that Marx never mandated any sort of atrocities, so that means Marxism has a totally clean record on that front.

I know.

Long haired preachers come out every night Try to tell you what’s wrong and what’s right But if you ask them for something to eat They will tell you in voices so sweet “You will eat, by and by, in that glorious land up in the sky! Work and pray, live on hay, you’ll get pie in the sky, when you die” - that’s a lie.

Jesus criticised this exact attitude.

Yeah, no thanks. If more people listened to your “submit to authority” bullshit, we’d still have chattel slavery. Fuck off with this bootlicking nonsense.

So you don’t submit to the authorities of the country you live in, then? What about your employer?

You don’t think I should care about politics? Well my boss and my landlord do, and every day they’re working to make my life worse. It’s long past time to start fighting back. We didn’t start the class war. We just recognize it exists.

I’m not saying you shouldn’t. I’m saying that politics shouldn’t be your god, which is a folly of most political systems

what Bible were you reading? He clearly unleashes a load of suffering on Job. Satan is the tempter of all evil

Yeah that’s very weird. Especially since being autistic isn’t exclusive to left wingers

I like how they used a menorah instead of a star of david

Victim blaming much?

whooosh

The Bible says Adam and Eve, not Florence and the Machine

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If you pretend jesus preaches pedophilia, violence and greed – I guess he does promote incest when lot fucks his daughters - then he is a pretty bad master, since some christians have sex with their own children and murder people but some don’t.

Lot was raped by his daughters. Are we victim blaming now?

You kind of remind me when ‘the right’ undermines the trans rights movement because a handful of mass shooters or sex offenders were transgender people.

Jesus, terrible teacher since all his greedy disciples are hoarding wealth in direct defiance of him. He has no control over his disciples.

Ohhhh, ohhh, you think?

Matthew 7:21-23

“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’

Would be a bit of a shame if you thought you would be separated from them, just to be thrown in the same pit with them.

All the rest of that nonsense you are claiming about slavery have already debunked. You’re not rebutting my argument, just repeating the same claims I addressed mindlessly. If you really want me to demonstrate more that the Bible doesn’t promote these things, I will.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. What evidence would you require to believe the Buddhist sutras that describe talking animals and flying monks? Probably more than hearsay, I’d imagine.

Eyewitness testimony. Said eyewitnesses literally dying on that hill helps. As well as a religious movement spontaneously and uncontrollably erupting from it.

Are you really going to make me bring up all the atrocities committed in the name of Christianity, then? The crusades, the inquisitions, the witch burnings, the wars of religion - all perfectly moral, apparently, because “secularism is needed to abolish morality.” What a load of crap.

For a start, were the crusades really an atrocity? And the inquisitions? They were fighting against Islam. I don’t think you’d prefer a caliphate over Christendom. The Bible doesn’t mandate witch burnings either. In fact, it was usually over superstitious nonsense which it condemns. What didn’t help is that people back then couldn’t actually read the Bible - probably the largest answer to your question, actually. So corrupt people in the Church had more control. Now your average layman can read the Bible and see Trump is in fact an antichrist. Many churches also condemned the witch hunts as superstition. That’s kind of like the right using instances of transgender people committing atrocities to invalidate all of them.

And if not capitalism, socialism, feudalism, or theocracy, then what is it exactly that you support?

None of these work. They all rely on humans. I don’t see a need to participate in that argument. Empires come and go. Whether they be feudal, theocratic, democratic or socialist. I’m more concerned with Christ’s eternal Kingdom. Christ didn’t preach an earthly political system, much to many people’s dismay at the time. All He did in regards to political systems was emphasising that people should submit to the authorities over them. So whether you live in Britain, Canada, America, China or Russia. As long as said submission doesn’t undermine or overtake your submission to God. You shall love the LORD your God with all of your heart. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it, you shall love your neighbour as yourself. These two commandments should govern the affairs of a Christian’s life.

Patient is not perfect. A perfect master teaches and controls his disciples perfectly. jesus does not teach and control his disciples. His disciples hurt and kill people, they hoard wealth.

He does exactly that- teach and control them.

On hoarding wealth:

Matthew 19:16-22

And behold, a man came up to him, saying, “Teacher, what good deed must I do to have eternal life?” And he said to him, “Why do you ask me about what is good? There is only one who is good. If you would enter life, keep the commandments.” He said to him, “Which ones?” And Jesus said, “You shall not murder, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness, Honor your father and mother, and, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” The young man said to him, “All these I have kept. What do I still lack?” Jesus said to him, “If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.” When the young man heard this he went away sorrowful, for he had great possessions.

Luke 12:16-21

And he told them a parable, saying, “The land of a rich man produced plentifully, and he thought to himself, ‘What shall I do, for I have nowhere to store my crops?’ And he said, ‘I will do this: I will tear down my barns and build larger ones, and there I will store all my grain and my goods. And I will say to my soul, “Soul, you have ample goods laid up for many years; relax, eat, drink, be merry.”’ But God said to him, ‘Fool! This night your soul is required of you, and the things you have prepared, whose will they be?’ So is the one who lays up treasure for himself and is not rich toward God.”

On violence:

Luke 22:50-51

And one of them struck the servant of the high priest and cut off his right ear. But Jesus said, “No more of this!” And he touched his ear and healed him.

Matthew 5:38-42

“You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if anyone would sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. And if anyone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Give to the one who begs from you, and do not refuse the one who would borrow from you.

jesus is a bad master

No, those self proclaimed followers who hoard wealth, hurt, and kill, are bad disciples.

Think of all the different christian sects defining and defending different perspectives of the same words, harming and killing others over their own confusion and fear.

Christian denominations don’t hurt or kill each other. The vast majority of denominations coexist, and many participate in ecumenism. There is a general agreement between Eastern Orthodox, Roman Catholics and Protestants that we all are Christians and follow the same faith. We just practice it differently.

Slavery according to the christian bible:

That was about humility and submission to authority, with the hope that by your humility and submission you’d be a Christian witness to your master. Jesus didn’t preach violence- He preached turning the other cheek, and this is consistent with that. As was said, you may suffer for a while, but in the end you’ll be free eternally. All of the slaves from when that was written have been freed.

None of what you cited encourages taking slaves.

According to the christian bible, It is christian to own slaves

No, it’s not.

But it’s one silly book among millions, you don’t have to worship selfishness, misogyny and slavery if you choose not to.

The Bible doesn’t preach these things, and we don’t worship these things. We worship the God who became man, lived a humble life, preached humility and died so we can spend eternity free. The Bible is more about humility, it’s your own selfishness which is clouding it.

And if a religion is defined by how it’s people behave, we sing the hymn “Amazing Grace” which was written by an ex slave trader. In the hymn he refers to his past life before coming to the Faith as a “wretch” and “I once was lost”

John Newton, 1778

How industrious is Satan served. I was formerly one of his active undertemptors and had my influence been equal to my wishes I would have carried all the human race with me. A common drunkard or profligate is a petty sinner to what I was.

I doubt you’ve actually read the Bible - Jesus’ constant teaching of humility, false prophets, etc are quite clear. You are just recycling old washed out anti-theist talking points. This Advent, I challenge you to read Matthew’s Gospel. You might be surprised. You can even listen to it in the background, it’s just two and a half hours long.

2:09 if you want to skip the genealogy

No, because this is just your belief. It isn’t something that is proven by evidence. Because it isn’t true.

What evidence would you need to prove it exactly?

Then what the fuck was the point of bringing it up and arguing on exclusively religious lines about it??

It was on the subject of bringing religion into politics.

“You know who else didn’t like Christianity? Adolf Hitler.” Is this really the level of reasoning you operate at?

It’s a good example of how secularism is needed to abolish morality.

Lol. The classic, “Marx failed to consider human nature” meme argument. “Humans are too sinful, that’s why we need to stick with systems that incentivize and reward greed and corruption, while keeping others poor and desperate.”

I never said we needed to stick with capitalism. I’m saying that relying on humans is deeply fallible, and marxism completely fails at replacing religion.

and we should keep doing capitalism.

Never said that.

HTML Website is cool. A child of that age might be able to write basic HTML. I wasn’t much older when I made my own site

correct, jesus is not a perfect master

Jesus is a perfect master. He is patient.

An ideology is, in practice, defined by its adherents.

No, it isn’t. Nobody seriously considers North Korea to be a proper example of “socialism”.

I wasn’t, but you do admire masters and worship a book glorifying slavery.

Not, we don’t.

Owning slaves is righteous according to the christian bible.

No, it isn’t.

it is christian to own slaves and to be a master to your slaves according to the christian bible, what you see as the word of the christian god. you are defying the christian god by claiming owning slaves is not righteous.

No, it’s not.

the christian bible is all about fearing retribution for your actions instead of making moral choices and positively affecting the world through good will and critical thinking.

Except it’s clear you aren’t saved by works. Peculiar that. And it is about moral choices, you cannot have morality without a religion. You can act morally, yes. You can be moral, yes. But you cannot have it.

but that’s okay because it’s just a book, one of millions, and there’s a much bigger, and real, world out there with better lessons you can learn from.

Not really. At the end of the world, none of these silly human materialist ideas will matter.

Your arguments are so bad, you claim to have read the Bible, what drugs were you on? I’m almost convinced you graduated from the University of Reddit or something.

and still christians have always and continue to carry out the death penalty.

That doesn’t mean that they’re supposed to and you cannot define an ideology by how it’s adherents act.

jesus is an imperfect master: his flock is full of pedophiles, murderers and rapists.

Basically any institution involving humans, this is the case. That’s because humans are corrupt and sinful. God punishes evil.

being a perfect slave master is not good for the slaves. You may aspire to owning slaves, but that doesn’t make owning slaves admirable or righteous.

I know. Slave owning isn’t righteous. Are you accusing me personally aspiring to own slaves?

jesus was here a few years and then lives in paradise forever in your book. his suffering was brief and insignificant relative to eternal life.

And because of Him dying, it can be similar for us. We suffer a while and then have eternal life. Congratulations, You’ve figured it out.

Important to note that all the evidence we have supports the christian bible being a fictional story, largely made up and revised over the years to create a myth to subjugate people like yourself.

No there isn’t. And who’s subjugating me exactly? My prime minister is an atheist. Rejecting the Bible has always been a first step in subjugation in recent history.

It’s an interesting piece of creative writing, but there are limits to how far you should base your real life on a book about owning slaves and worshiping fear that inspired one of the largest and most harmful cults in history.

It’s not about owning slaves or worshipping fear, and Christianity has been a net benefit for humanity.

1. John 8:1-11, Jesus clearly states that it’s not our place to carry out a death penalty.

2. And Jesus Christ is our Master. He is the perfect Master. So husbands should use Christ as their role model.

The other 1 and 2,

1: Yes, anyone who defies God is a sinner.

2: The aforementioned master literally was rejected, tortured and died for mankind.

Slaves obeying their masters is a show of humility, same as “turn the other cheek”.

A husband would be eternally damned for that date by your logic. You have an issue with the eternal damnation, yet the Master - Christ - absorbed that punishment for us so we wouldn’t have to bear it. You’re speaking as if a wife suddenly loses her salvation and becomes unforgivable by God because she failed to cook dinner.

your bible is a cherry tree.

No, it’s not. In fact, verse numbers weren’t a thing until a few centuries ago.

I would say that you have done one of the worst jobs of biblical interpretation I have ever seen, but if you, for whatever reason, think that it’s just a random assortment of verses, then it’s understandable why your take was so bad. So I’ll pose and answer two questions.

1. Who carries out the punishment of death?

2. What is God’s instruction to the husband?

These are questions which are only answerable if you don’t use the Bible like it’s a cherry tree.

1. The punishment of death is carried out by God. Who are sinners? The same writing that says “the punishment for sin is death” says “all have sinned”. What that means is the reason we die is BECAUSE of sin, so God punishes us with death.

2. If you kept reading on in what you originally quoted, you would have seen a much greater burden put on the Husband.

Ephesians 5:25

Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her,

Christ is God. So husbands must somehow try and love their wives with perfect love. This is the same God who keeps forgiving even the worst sins, and died in a horrific manner in order to save them. So husbands are expected to die for their wives. And taking the bullet is the easy bit- you may need to die to your own desires or preferences in order to show love to your wife. Maybe you were saving some money to go to a sports game with your mates, but your wife really wants a nice date. To die to yourself would be to use that money to go on a nice date with your wife.

Provide me photographic evidence of Julius Caesar.

But about this rag- it’s quite humbling that the omnipotent creator and governor of the Universe would come down and be a man like that. Beaten, bruised, pierced and scorned.

And the radio carbon dating of it to the middle ages was recently debunked, turns out those were just repair cloths nuns put on it at some point. Fibers were found showing it may have been from the first century middle east. And even then, scientists still cannot explain the image.