I said it’s a Marxist/anarchist space, and you asked “what about libertarian socialists/communists”

I cast a pretty wide net, who are you including in libertarian socialists/communists that isn’t covered by the description Marxist/anarchist?

could you explain how that’s not covered by the categories I listed

it’s a Marxist/anarchist space, and tankie is not a meaningful term, it’s an epithet for punching left. if you’re expressing contrition maybe stop acting like every other social democrat shitter running around here.

Wasn’t me, but you can post in !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com if you want discussion of a moderation action you received.

I would have probably given you a temp ban, but considering you just got banned from a hexbear account for the same sort of activity and are now complaining about ‘tankies’ in this very thread, that would probably have been too kind.

secondly, i sincerely promise to act in good faith and learn a bit more when it comes to socialism/communism. i sincerely hope you forgive me.

do you think hexbear is run by tankies who DIDN’T realize that you DON’T have to support stalin to support marxism-leninism?

hmmmm sounds like good faith to me

I kept getting banned, got tired of making accounts. this place has its issues, but reddit is worse

Didn’t take long to get banned for my radical opinion that all forms of Us-vs-Them tribalism are dehumanizing.

it’s always the pro-genocide people acting so injured on when the vile stuff they say gets a negative response

assumed I fit in your favourite political punching bag box is a problem.

Drones were a W.

you kind of walked in to it

I’m on lemmy.ml because it’s the developer server so I figured it would get updates the fastest, it also federates with all the communist/anarchist servers.

Transitioning helped a lot, I do still feel depressed occasionally, but it’s more passing and related to hormones.

Switching from a career where I was on call nearly all the time for immediate issues for one where I have more flexibility and don’t have to drive as much was a big help.

I still mask and feel really alienated being around people who don’t, but that sentiment was not new to me being vegan and trans and an anarchist. Those orientations don’t always lend themselves to being understood by others who aren’t.

I don’t spend much time online. Organizing with like-minded individuals in real life is way better for my mental health.

I do smoke a lot of weed, but it’s because I enjoy it rather than because I feel bad or am trying to self-medicate.

absolutely not, the only thing I follow on youtube is artists making teto songs

being vegan is a big one for me, no bigger turn-off than watching someone eating a carcass

it was here, the ragebait was too obvious so I disengaged lol

‘tankie’ is used a pejorative for any leftist, just like ‘red’ or ‘commie’ or ‘pinko’ was. You apply it to them because they say one thing, and automatically ascribe to them all of the other things that you dislike. It’s a caricature.

I linked two different threads of people unanimously shitting on purported communists who are reactionary or offer full support to the war in ukraine and you read it as them being ‘aligned on the war in ukraine’. I don’t really know what else to say if you’re just going to read the opposite.

I find it’s more often the people complaining loudly about ‘tankies’ who are starting off with slogans and an uncritical reading of their own sides history.

Once again, most leftist anti-tankies already criticize the US.

The ‘vaguely left’ poster that’s one of the main ‘anti-tankies’ is constantly posting NAFO shit and anticommunism. I don’t think that we are in agreement on what ‘leftist’ is, beyond a self-identification.

This is what makes up the bulk of controversy on tankies on the fediverse and outside it.

The biggest shit-stirrers on this front don’t tend to express issues with authoritarianism under capitalism. In fact they tend to be the first to browbeat people to fall in line with western narratives and express contempt at challenging the existing systems. I have no obligation to take them seriously.

The problem is that you’re using tankie now interchangeably with what was originally ‘leninist’ and the goalposts shifted for what they believe.

I can point to a recent thread where these ‘tankies’ are complaining about the fascists larping as communists on reddit ‘tankies’ are not a monolith and the site cultures are clearly different. Here’s a thread where ‘the tankies’ on hexbear are saying that the CPRF should all be shot for supporting the SMO, and that if Putin is praising you then you’re not a communist party.

Most marxists/leninists I’ve known in real life are pretty quick to concede the failures of previous socialist states, because having a critical understanding of history is integral to having a materialist worldview.

If people are just shouting slogans it’s a problem, obviously. However that door swings both ways: I find it’s more often the people complaining loudly about ‘tankies’ who are starting off with slogans and an uncritical reading of their own sides history.

Anarchism is anti-authoritarian, but that’s not really where it ends (to say it’s ‘all about that’ is a bit reductive). The point isn’t just to oppose authority, but to oppose hierarchy and domination. IE systems where authority becomes permanent, coercive, and self-justifying.

Anarchists aren’t going to oppose a doctor giving orders in the middle of surgery, or say that teachers have to get a vote from their class before being allowed to assign homework.

The problem is the structural authority where participation isn’t voluntary and the power can’t be revoked. This is why opposing the state, class society and capitalism is such a common refrain.

That’s why I said there’s common ground between marxists and anarchists. Both traditions start from the same diagnosis: the capitalist state is a machine of class domination. We both want to abolish exploitation and create a classless, stateless society. We can disagree about if some heirarchies can still be used temporarily for the purpose of liberation, however that’s a strategic debate with a shared revolutionary objective, not some huge moral divide.

At the end of the day, anarchists and marxists want the same thing: a society without without rulers, landlords, or bosses.

The disagreement is about how to get there, not about if people should be free at all.

‘defending’ 🙄

it’s that I find there’s more common ground with them than with the centrist extremists who get so worked up about their existence.

Just yesterday I had one such person who started off calling me a tankie immediately pivot to ‘yeah well anarchism is bullshit too’

glad you’ve stopped posting to .world, at least we can agree on JL

for me the annoyance was that it was reposts from .ml to .world, not even uplifting smaller instances. just part of the personal crusade from people who are also drama farmers

Also remember you are the anarchist on .ml

hell yeah

it’s funny because I know them because for a while they were systematically reposting everything from lemmy.ml communities to drive traffic away from “the tankies”. the first impression was of a total asshole