That is a bad idea because now someone else can also check how you’ve voted. I.e. you can be coerced or threatened to vote a certain way. The current system is anonymous. You can vote X but say you voted Y and nobody can prove different.
The idea of it being numbered is that you are given your number when you vote to check against later, but nobody else is given that number so they can’t tie the vote to you.
Often times the people this would hurt most would be the spouses of abusive individuals. They could force the receipt, and would be able to confirm their victim voted the way they were told.
Not at all saying we shouldn’t look into the abuse, but unless the victim tells someone, there’s no way to know it’s happening? I don’t really get what you’re suggesting here.
I’m suggesting that if the abuse is large enough that it swings entire elections, then it should be looked into as a why it’s happening vs saying we shouldn’t do something about voter fraud because something else might happen.
Spousal abuse is only one concern, also parent/child coercion (you’re an adult now, you can’t live in my house unless you vote the way I want). Another would be buying votes, and using the “receipt” to collect payment.
That would be nice. Hugely impractical. Especially with today’s government. Pretty sure no fault divorce is going to be revoked soon, so it’ll only get worse.
Also, was not suggesting that abusive relationships would be enough to swing the election one way or the other, only that this is a valid concern that needs addressed before any sweeping change.
But you can be coerced to give up that number. People can buy your vote and you can give them your number as proof. That’s a huuuuge problem. You should not be able to prove (to someone else) how you voted. Ever.
What you need is some kind of systeem that allows you to verify your vote, but which is useless to someone else. It’s probably possible. But your idea isn’t it.
You could literally just throw it away and then they wouldn’t be able to do anything. If someone is threatening you to vote a certain way and they’re doing this to enough people that it makes a change… we’ve got much bigger problems than vote tracking.
That is a bad idea because now someone else can also check how you’ve voted. I.e. you can be coerced or threatened to vote a certain way. The current system is anonymous. You can vote X but say you voted Y and nobody can prove different.
The idea of it being numbered is that you are given your number when you vote to check against later, but nobody else is given that number so they can’t tie the vote to you.
Often times the people this would hurt most would be the spouses of abusive individuals. They could force the receipt, and would be able to confirm their victim voted the way they were told.
Sure while this is a concern, why aren’t we instead looking into the abuse vs suggesting we no do something because of another problem?
Not at all saying we shouldn’t look into the abuse, but unless the victim tells someone, there’s no way to know it’s happening? I don’t really get what you’re suggesting here.
I’m suggesting that if the abuse is large enough that it swings entire elections, then it should be looked into as a why it’s happening vs saying we shouldn’t do something about voter fraud because something else might happen.
Spousal abuse is only one concern, also parent/child coercion (you’re an adult now, you can’t live in my house unless you vote the way I want). Another would be buying votes, and using the “receipt” to collect payment.
You could just burn your number then.
and then the coercion is simply you give me your number or i hurt you
there is no way that you can make a system where you are able to validate your vote after the fact, and also is safe from coercion
Or just say they ran out of paper. Like there are more pros than cons to this system. Nothing is going to be perfect.
That would be nice. Hugely impractical. Especially with today’s government. Pretty sure no fault divorce is going to be revoked soon, so it’ll only get worse.
Also, was not suggesting that abusive relationships would be enough to swing the election one way or the other, only that this is a valid concern that needs addressed before any sweeping change.
But you can be coerced to give up that number. People can buy your vote and you can give them your number as proof. That’s a huuuuge problem. You should not be able to prove (to someone else) how you voted. Ever.
What you need is some kind of systeem that allows you to verify your vote, but which is useless to someone else. It’s probably possible. But your idea isn’t it.
You could literally just throw it away and then they wouldn’t be able to do anything. If someone is threatening you to vote a certain way and they’re doing this to enough people that it makes a change… we’ve got much bigger problems than vote tracking.
Transparent urn and public counting ?