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Roflmasterbigpimp@lemmy.world to Lemmy Shitpost@lemmy.world · 9 months ago

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Roflmasterbigpimp@lemmy.world to Lemmy Shitpost@lemmy.world · 9 months ago
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    This is a strawman. No one is arguing buying beans fixes deforestation. However, if less meat is produced (ie less animals are raised for slaughter), then less deforestation will come as a result of the meat industry. If legume farming was destroying the rainforest, I’d have a problem with that too

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      If legume farming was destroying the rainforest,

      turns out, a lot of the the deforested amazon is being used to grow soy.

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        This was the case, and is certainly problematic. Take it a step further – who or what is consuming that soy? Animal agriculture, by and large. Therefore this is an argument for veganism, or at least reducing consumption.

        https://www.greenpeace.org/usa/victories/amazon-rainforest-deforestation-soy-moratorium-success/

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          the vast majority of the world’s soy (about 85%) is pressed for oil in an oil press for human use. the byproduct of the press is called soy meal or soy cake, and would be a waste product if we didn’t find a use for it. currently, almost all of it goes to feed livestock, (about 70% of the entire crop-weight).

          soybeans are used by people, and we feed the trash to livestock.

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            Can you supply a source for this please?

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              https://ourworldindata.org/images/published/Global-soy-production-to-end-use.png

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                This seems to reinforce my point. Surely 75% of production is not simply wastage otherwise. This is even ignoring the fact that I provided a source showing that deforestation by soy is far less problematic than it used to be.

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                  the soybean is only 20% oil. we extract 17% of the global crop as oil. we must find something to do with that waste product.

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                  This is even ignoring the fact that I provided a source showing that deforestation by soy is far less problematic than it used to be.

                  ok. i did “ignore” that. am i supposed to accolade every true statement?

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      if less meat is produced (ie less animals are raised for slaughter), then less deforestation will come as a result of the meat industry.

      but just being vegan doesn’t cause this to happen.

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        It’s simple economics. Less demand, less supply.

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          that’s not causal.

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