So ddg is down, so I visit Google. It’s been some years.

I just can’t believe how poor it’s results are, and how it’s trying to suggest things it think I might also want (and failing miserably).

I just assumed ddg would be the lesser, but I use it for privacy. Turns out I’m wrong.

How long has Google been this bad?

        • elvith@discuss.tchncs.de
          5·
          7 months ago

          Its searxng now (the original searx is dead) and is quite good. Performance differs. I’ve seen very slow instances, but when I started hosting my own semi-private instance, I saw how fast it can be, if the server isn’t a potato.

      • JetpackJackson@feddit.de
        1·
        7 months ago

        Do you ever have moments where you type something to search into the address bar and you just get taken to the instance home page? That happens to me every now and then and I’m wondering if it’s the instance I’m using

        • Mr. Camel999@programming.dev
          1·
          7 months ago

          I have not experienced this, no. Unsure as to what that could be, but if another instance doesn’t cause that issue that would be a good sign that it is the current instance you’re on.

      • clearedtoland@lemmy.worldEnglish
        27·
        7 months ago

        I can’t justify Kagi’s pricing but I liked it. I’d blow through the cheapest plan in a week. Neeva was pretty good too before they pivoted, also pricey imo though.

        • walden@sub.wetshaving.social
          12·
          7 months ago

          I blew through the $5 plan in a short amount of time. I’m a curious person, I guess! I really like it though so decided $120/year was worth it for unlimited.

          Compared to DDG (Bing) the search results are really good. When using DDG I would frequently revert to Google, but not with Kagi.

          • Alk@lemmy.worldEnglish
            2·
            7 months ago

            Same. I work and play at my computer, so I certainly get my use out of it. I wouldn’t pay for it if both my work and my hobbies weren’t both on my PC.

        • Alk@lemmy.worldEnglish
          5·
          7 months ago

          I haven’t touched the ai feature, I’m glad its separate and not forced into search, but I’m also glad people seem to be getting good use out of it. Best of both worlds.

    • 30p87@feddit.de
      8·
      7 months ago

      If you have spare hardware lying around and a public IP (or a server anyway), you can selfhost SearXNG.
      If you’re fine with paying 12$/month (with tax) for a customizable search engine, very accurate and transparently sourced/quoted LLM, and just a better index than any other search engine I know, use Kagi. I heard some rumors and bad things, but nothing to do with privacy, only the aforementioned tax.
      And for a free search engine which claims privacy and is an alternative to DDG, with its own index afaik, Brave.

      • sanpo@sopuli.xyz
        44·
        7 months ago

        Kagi is anything but private friendly. Their CEO claims only criminals actually want anonymity.

        They also think they don’t need pay taxes or to abide by GDPR if they invent their own definitions of the laws.

        https://d-shoot.net/kagi.html

        • 30p87@feddit.de
          5·
          7 months ago

          This is an article often quoted, which makes it seem like it’s a kind of consensus. Yet one of the main points, taxes, can just be disproven by reading the Kagi FAQ about it. Find it by searching “Kagi inc tax” on any search engine, like Kagi itself. Or just https://help.kagi.com/kagi/faq/sales-tax-vat.html.

          We weren’t initially required to collect sales tax/VAT until reaching certain thresholds, typically defined by the number of customers in a jurisdiction or sales volume.

          And sooo many other things in this article are purely based on assumptions, incorrect data and misquotes. This personal blog is exactly none better than your average hustle-finance-nazi-bro podcast, in almost all terms (except political views).

          • sanpo@sopuli.xyz
            4·
            7 months ago

            Misquotes? There are literally screenshots in the article showing full quotes, I don’t know who are you trying to lie to…

            And just because Kagi put some text on their website doesn’t make it true.
            Taxes don’t work like that (at least not VAT) and you’re a fool for trusting a company which tried to commit a fraud.

            Some EU countries do have tax exemptions for small businesses, which Kagi isn’t by any definition.

            Anyway, that sure didn’t take long for you to prove Godwin’s law, huh?

      • frezik@midwest.social
        2·
        7 months ago

        How are SearXNG results? I tried a self hosted yacy instance, but its results are pre-AltaVista bad.

      • LemmyHead@lemmy.ml
        4·
        7 months ago

        I have good experience with brave search, after I moved away from the crap Qwant actually is

        • CALIGVLA@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          1·
          7 months ago

          Qwant is that bad? I remember hearing decent things about it a few years ago but I never got around to trying it because it’s blocked in my country for some god forsaken reason.

          • LemmyHead@lemmy.ml
            1·
            7 months ago

            That’s exactly one of the reasons why I find it shit. It’s not blocked in my country but as soon I need to go abroad, can’t use it anymore. There’s more reasons why it sucks and some of them are recent

          • LemmyHead@lemmy.ml
            1·
            7 months ago

            That’s exactly one of the reasons why I find it shit. It’s not blocked in my country but as soon I need to go abroad, can’t use it anymore. There’s more reasons why it sucks and some of them are recent

        • pelespirit@sh.itjust.works
          2·
          7 months ago

          So is Mojeek a standalone since it’s yellow? It looks like a lot of other people use them and not the other way around. Yep is cool, but I think they get their money from the sites that pay them? I looked at it yesterday, it’s sort of a strange set up that I’m not sure I understand.