• katy ✨@piefed.blahaj.zoneEnglish
    82·
    9 days ago

    also me when people accuse me of being ai slop for using em dashes just because big tech trained their models by stealing authors work.

    • CubitOom@infosec.pubEnglish
      35·
      8 days ago

      I like to use em, but I’m too lazy to type them so I just use two regular dashes (–) which I guess I haven’t seen an LLM do yet.

      Its actually wild to me that people who use LLMs don’t edit the output to make it look like it was not generated.

      For me, the greatest giveaways are the emojis and bad formatting.

    • underisk@lemmy.ml
      12·
      9 days ago

      just swap them out with semicolons; no one knows how they’re supposed to work anyway

      • 🔍🦘🛎@lemmy.worldEnglish
        15·
        9 days ago

        Semicolons should separate related ideas; they should work as independent sentences though.

        Em dashes–contrary to how most people use them–are for asides or supplementary information. I also see them used to show a conclusion–a direct response to a prior statement that doesn’t seem appropriate to put in a new sentence.

        • egrets@lemmy.world
          5·
          9 days ago

          Best choice is to switch out the em dashes for parentheses ( even where that doesn’t make any sense.

        • ulterno@programming.devEnglish
          1·
          8 days ago

          I sometimes use semicolons when I realise I have been using too many commas and I don’t feel like breaking up into multiple sentences. So, kinda like a bigger comma.
          I understand that makes it wrong, though.

        • brbposting@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          1·
          8 days ago

          Punctuation: gotta love it.

          Thank goodness I was raised where etc. I was; feel like I have a handle on it.

          But who knows—maybe I’m imperfect with them!

          (howdid I doozie here^ pls)

          Edit: Okay, just read it—your comment, I mean—and I used v2 of your em dash, so here’s v1 :)

    • VitoRobles@lemmy.todayEnglish
      8·
      9 days ago

      There was a comment that was a list of 15 items and some chud called it AI slop. Because it was an organized list?

      • ulterno@programming.devEnglish
        1·
        8 days ago

        Honestly, making a list feels easier for me as a markdown user, than having to put 2 spaces at the end of every line.

    • TomasEkeli@programming.dev
      6·
      9 days ago

      em dashes are typographical faffery and have always been (in my opinion) a marker of writers who take themselves, and the surface level of their style, far too serious.

      just use commas, my friend

          • The Quuuuuill@slrpnk.netEnglish
            4·
            8 days ago

            no.

            • comma: do a short pause
            • hyphen: connect two related concept words to loosely create a new word
            • en dash: signify a range
            • em dash: do an abrupt, possibly long, pause or signify an attribution
            • ellipses: do a trailing, possibly long, pause
          • ulterno@programming.devEnglish
            2·
            8 days ago

            For a speaker/listener, yes. But for a reader, it has additional value.
            I don’t remember where I first read em dashes, but there were times when I felt like something didn’t quite match any of the others I usually use [1] and ended up with a feeling that putting a dash over there made sense.
            I also didn’t know the terminologies for these different kinds of dashes, when I started using them.

            1. parentheses, colons (inline or list-starters), semicolons ↩︎

      • marcos@lemmy.world
        7·
        9 days ago

        Just use commas, my friend

        vs.

        Just use commas – my friend

        It doesn’t work very well.

        • TomasEkeli@programming.dev
          5·
          9 days ago

          dashes cannot always replace commas, but commas can replace dashes.

          thus - commas are more powerful

          thus, commas are more powerful

          • Jax@sh.itjust.works
            6·
            9 days ago

            Amusingly enough, one use case for em dashes is a pause where a comma would be too weak — refuting your assertion.

            Also, you used a hyphen.

            • TomasEkeli@programming.dev
              2·
              9 days ago

              not actually a hyphen, a minus (not that this matters to me in the slightest)

              I’m sorry, but “the pause is too weak” sounds squarely in the area of faffery to me.

              • The Quuuuuill@slrpnk.netEnglish
                5·
                8 days ago

                hyphen and minus is the same punctuation symbol in different contexts, at least how most people, including you, signify the mathematical symbol.

                • hyphen: -
                • minus: -
                • en-dash: –
                • em-dash: —

                so… yeah. pretty clear it doesn’t matter to you since you speak authoritatively about it while being incorrect

              • Jax@sh.itjust.works
                3·
                9 days ago

                It’s more along the lines of the comma is too weak for the pause. Likewise, there are places where the em dash is too strong for the pause.

    • BallShapedMan@lemmy.world
      3·
      9 days ago

      Teaching myself to stop using the em dash has been a real pain. It helps with the flow of reading particularly when talking about technical content. I’ve gone back to the semicolon, sadly.

  • waitmarks@lemmy.world
    54·
    9 days ago

    What an astute observation! You are absolutely right, many people can confuse well written responses as AI and that can be frustrating. Simplifying the language is a great way to make your text seem more personal and human. Let me know if you need help with anything else!

  • LemmyKnowsBest@lemmy.world
    31·
    10 days ago

    At this point I’d just consider it a compliment when someone accuses me of being ai. Oh you mean I spelled everything correctly and sound like a textbook? Thank you very much.

      • Paradachshund@lemmy.today
        10·
        9 days ago

        They’ll parrot back whatever attitude you’re talking to them in. I’ve seen screenshots of other people using them and the way they were talking was completely different from how they talk to me. I also get the monotone informational version.

        It can get really fucked up actually and contributes to people humanizing the chatbot.

  • Treczoks@lemmy.world
    19·
    8 days ago

    Happened to my daughter: She’s studying abroad, with an English speaking course of mostly non-native speakers (she is also no native English speaker, but has a better command of the language than most Americans). Co-students were actually asking her which AI she was using because her papers were so good…

    • ulterno@programming.devEnglish
      6·
      8 days ago

      I have seen people have this tendency to be unable to believe that anyone they know can actually do something they find difficult.
      That’s probably the same type of people that see some highly acclaimed work (from someone they don’t know) and thrusting celebrity status onto the creator.

    • TrickDacy@lemmy.world
      45·
      9 days ago

      I wish the pro-ai crowd had a thoughtful bone in their fucking body. Besides destroying the environment there’s a list of horrible problems this shit is causing. How dare anyone care about problems though amirite?

      • explodicle@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        3·
        9 days ago

        Daily reminder that the carbon footprint was invented by big oil so we’d blame each other. Do what you can for now, but the problem will only be fixed by systemic change that internalizes the cost of pollution.

        • TrickDacy@lemmy.world
          4·
          9 days ago

          I am not annoyed by anything on here except the people who are extreme assholes about ai in every context, which isn’t much of the content I’m seeing. The dude whining above is basically the inverse of those. He seems to be 100% onboard with this shit and I find that way more annoying

      • ReCursing@feddit.ukEnglish
        2·
        8 days ago

        Yeah that’s not actually true though, is it? At least not compared to pretty much any other industry, such as fast food which is thousands, nay hundreds of thousands of times more destructive! If you had any integrity you’d be protesting McDonalds. But insulting a tool make you feel special I guess

        • Peruvian_Skies@sh.itjust.works
          6·
          9 days ago

          Oh, so you want to treat people as a monolithic group but don’t want to be treated as part of a monolithic group? Do unto others as you would have them do unto you, you hypocrite.

            • Peruvian_Skies@sh.itjust.works
              4·
              9 days ago

              Then why did you do exactly that by generalizing?

              Edit: Just noticed you aren’t the idiot who generalized. You’re a completely separate idiot who decided to parachute down and be rude without context.

      • ReCursing@feddit.ukEnglish
        1·
        8 days ago

        Yeah that’s not actually true though, is it? At least not compared to pretty much any other industry, such as fast food which is thousands, nay hundreds of thousands of times more destructive! If you had any integrity you’d be protesting McDonalds. But insulting a tool make you feel special I guess

      • ReCursing@feddit.ukEnglish
        1·
        8 days ago

        Anti-human? You know AI is a tool used by humans, right? Although I appreciate the enthusiasm you have for the technology we’re not yet at the point of true intelligence

    • chunes@lemmy.world
      1·
      8 days ago

      I don’t need them to shut up; I just wish they would stop being such extremists.

      This is 1960s technology that finally has enough hardware behind it to be useful. Big flip.

    • rumba@lemmy.zipEnglish
      4·
      8 days ago

      My MIL was in town for Thanksgiving, and there was a lot of MASH watched.

      Holds up surprisingly well. I like it more now than I did in my childhood.

  • TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world
    12·
    8 days ago

    I spent so much time in academia. A lot of us are trained to make objective and impersonal analysis (such as avoiding the use of personal pronouns “I”, “we”, “us” etc.), which I did not realise before sounds dispassionate and cold to laymen. Someone asked me if I’m a bot because apparently I sounded like an anime character. A couple of times, I get into arguments because normal folks would accuse me of “yOu aRe mAkInG ExCuSeS tO TyRaNtS!!” for making a realpolitik analysis of a situation (/r/geopolitics in Reddit is heavily derided for this by average Redditors).

    Academically trained folks are ingrained to be conscious of bias and rather encouraged to be more descriptive with the analysis, and less with prescriptive. Otherwise we’d get accused of bias. But when academics do voice out their opinions based on evidence and careful study, they’d be accused of bias. I probably don’t need to elaborate how often educational institutions are accused of being left or liberal. News flash: academics do not come in with inherent bias towards left/liberal thinking, it’s just that their study led them to be more left leaning. Wait until I tell people I am an advocate for a world government by giving UN more power. I might be accused as a globalist bot.

    • The Quuuuuill@slrpnk.netEnglish
      4·
      8 days ago

      i dislike, but accept, academic style. my argument against it is that the total reliance on passive voice makes research FAR less accessible to people for whom english is a second languange and neurodivergent people. older academics tell me i’m being anti-intellectual. younger academics tell me they don’t know what passive voice is and don’t believe it exists.

      i don’t really… know what to make of that divide, if i’m being honest

      • TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world
        3·
        8 days ago

        my argument against it is that the total reliance on passive voice makes research FAR less accessible to people for whom english is a second languange and neurodivergent people. older academics tell me i’m being anti-intellectual.

        That’s fair and completely understandable. One of the major reasons for anti-intellectualism are experts talking down on average people. A lot of experts and academics are typically affluent who hardly have to live with salt-of-the-earth, everyday workers and working class. It’s a well-known problem who in academia who scoff at student and laypeople. I am not an academic by profession, although I try to know the audience and talk to their level. But I admit that maybe I have come across as smug before without realising it.

        younger academics tell me they don’t know what passive voice is and don’t believe it exists.

        I guess the person just have to read academic literatures in their field to get the grasp on how to speak passively. It took awhile for me to master it.

        • The Quuuuuill@slrpnk.netEnglish
          2·
          8 days ago

          usually the younger cohort defaults to passive voice in all communication.

          also i didn’t think you came across as a problem at all! sorry if it seemed like i was criticizing you or your position. this is a very general frustration i’ve had with academia ever since i wrote my senior ethics paper

      • MDCCCLV@lemmy.caEnglish
        2·
        8 days ago

        That’s why you usually have a paper and then a popular media article written based on it that’s what people actually see and read.

    • JcbAzPx@lemmy.worldEnglish
      3·
      8 days ago

      Maybe learn to switch out of the academic style for social media? Like do you include citation footers in texts to your family?

  • vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works
    10·
    9 days ago

    That’s why I fill my points with insults and constant profanities. Can’t fucken accuse my borderline insane and blatantly violent rhetoric of being bots because im pretty sure my pros are bit shit. Also could a bot do this, you can now feel that post burn sensation on your tongue.

  • ssfckdt@lemmy.blahaj.zone
    8·
    8 days ago

    Me when I have to interact with a website slowly because my natural rate is too fast and it triggers a bot detection warning

  • Stonewyvvern@lemmy.world
    7·
    8 days ago

    Ellipsis…use ellipsis often. AI seldom, if ever, uses them…So your responses don’t have the look and feel of AI.